From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Yosry Ahmed <yosry@kernel.org>,
"Kernel Mailing List, Linux" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, Jon Kohler <jon@nutanix.com>,
Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 17/22] KVM: x86/mmu: pull struct kvm_pagewalk out of struct kvm_mmu
Date: Thu, 21 May 2026 12:39:25 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ag9fbbWzOO0r777I@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABgObfZ+TXrw7UpMt2DQUYb6Gwr-+vHy8E3iNbP8WB2z=+1ZTw@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, May 19, 2026, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> Il mer 13 mag 2026, 23:36 Yosry Ahmed <yosry@kernel.org> ha scritto:
> >
> > However, I can't immediately tell what vcpu->arch.cpu_walk is doing
> > either (compared to vcpu->arch.tdp_walk), so maybe the names can be
> > improved? If these walks are tied to these MMUs, maybe name them as
> > such (e.g. root_pg_walk and guest_pg_walk)?
>
> No, cpu_walk is always GVA->(n)GPA and tdp_walk is the optional
> nGPA->GPA stage. While there is a 1:1 mapping from a struct kvm_mmu to
> kvm_pagewalk when doing shadow paging, for *emulation* purposes
> cpu_walk is used for both L1 and L2 and It replaces the
> vcpu->arch.walk_mmu pointer from the old code (which led to either
> root_mmu or nested_mmu). In fact the main change in the series is the
> removal of walk_mmu, with cpu_walk always representing the CR0/CR3/CR4
> page tables.
>
> I could call them gva_walk and ngpa_walk, but I think the current name
> are also self-explanatory (especially once you understand that
> walk_mmu is no more and cpu_walk can be used for both L1 and L2). The
> confusion comes more if you look at the walkers from the POV of struct
> kvm_mmu. Which leads to the other half...
I like gva_walk and ngpa_walk, a lot. A lot, a lot. I also find cpu_walk to be
ambiguous and confusing. It's not like the CPU walks GVA=>GPA but something else
walks GPA=>HPA.
> > I also think root_mmu and guest_mmu could still use some improvement
> > but that's probably outside the scope of this series. These are
> > essentially L1 MMU and L2 MMU, right? Maybe just mmu and nested_mmu
> > could work? But I am not sure if we can reclaim the nested_mmu name,
> > it's gonna screw with anyone doing backports :/
>
> And even more important vcpu->arch.mmu is the pointer to either
> root_mmu or guest_mmu. I wouldn't reclaim either mmu or nested_mmu.
>
> guest_mmu is not L2 MMU if L1 does not use two-dimensional paging, so
> l1_mmu and l2_mmu does not cut it entirely. And root_mmu can be either
> GVA->HPA or GPA->HPA, therefore applying the idea above (e.g., gpa_mmu
> and ngpa_mmu) would not work well.
>
> I suppose guest_mmu could be ngpa_mmu or shadow_tdp_mmu, but another
> possibility/refactoring would be to adjust the code and call the two
> MMUs direct_mmu and shadow_mmu. I haven't looked into what this means
> for the code but it would definitely make for the clearest naming.
I'm not a fan of "direct". Even if we deal with the CR0.PG=0 case, there's still
the direct shadow pages wrinkle.
I do like the idea of reworking the code so that there's an MMU for non-nested TDP
and a shadow MMU for everything else. Given that the only thing standing in our
way of having tdp_mmu and shadow_mmu is the existence of TDP support in the shadow
MMU, what if we finally drop that? Then we can have tdp_mmu, which is literally
the TDP MMU, and shadow_mmu.
> Having direct_mmu->w be NULL would be nice, so it seems promising but
> not something I was going to do soon (the *real* reason to submit this
> patch now is to get rid of is_executable_pte() half-assed support for
> MBEC/GMET, and that's where I stopped).
>
> Even with the small complication that CR0.PG=0 is a direct mapping but
> would use shadow_mmu, it's still a GVA->HPA mapping and thus pretty
> understandable.
>
> tl;dr: naming is hard so I tried to change as little as possible in
> this respect...
>
> Paolo
>
> >
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-05-21 19:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-05-11 15:06 [RFC PATCH 00/22] KVM: apply chainsaw to struct kvm_mmu Paolo Bonzini
2026-05-11 15:06 ` [PATCH 01/22] KVM: x86: remove nested_mmu from mmu_is_nested() Paolo Bonzini
2026-05-11 15:06 ` [PATCH 02/22] KVM: x86: move pdptrs out of the MMU Paolo Bonzini
2026-05-12 16:31 ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-05-11 15:06 ` [PATCH 03/22] KVM: x86: check that kvm_handle_invpcid is only invoked with shadow paging Paolo Bonzini
2026-05-11 15:06 ` [PATCH 04/22] KVM: x86/hyperv: remove unnecessary mmu_is_nested() check Paolo Bonzini
2026-05-11 15:06 ` [PATCH 05/22] KVM: x86/mmu: introduce struct kvm_pagewalk Paolo Bonzini
2026-05-11 15:06 ` [PATCH 06/22] KVM: x86/mmu: move get_guest_pgd to " Paolo Bonzini
2026-05-11 15:06 ` [PATCH 07/22] KVM: x86/mmu: move gva_to_gpa " Paolo Bonzini
2026-05-11 15:06 ` [PATCH 08/22] KVM: x86/mmu: move get_pdptr " Paolo Bonzini
2026-05-11 15:06 ` [PATCH 09/22] KVM: x86/mmu: move inject_page_fault " Paolo Bonzini
2026-05-11 15:06 ` [PATCH 10/22] KVM: x86/mmu: move CPU-related fields " Paolo Bonzini
2026-05-11 15:06 ` [PATCH 11/22] KVM: x86/mmu: change CPU-role accessor fields to take " Paolo Bonzini
2026-05-11 15:06 ` [PATCH 12/22] KVM: x86/mmu: move remaining permission fields to " Paolo Bonzini
2026-05-11 15:06 ` [PATCH 13/22] KVM: x86/mmu: pass struct kvm_pagewalk to kvm_mmu_invalidate_addr Paolo Bonzini
2026-05-11 15:06 ` [PATCH 14/22] KVM: x86/mmu: change walk_mmu to struct kvm_pagewalk Paolo Bonzini
2026-05-11 15:06 ` [PATCH 15/22] KVM: x86/mmu: change nested_mmu.w to nested_cpu_walk Paolo Bonzini
2026-05-11 15:06 ` [PATCH 16/22] KVM: x86/mmu: make cpu_walk a value Paolo Bonzini
2026-05-11 15:06 ` [PATCH 17/22] KVM: x86/mmu: pull struct kvm_pagewalk out of struct kvm_mmu Paolo Bonzini
2026-05-13 21:36 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-05-18 23:10 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-05-19 0:59 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-05-19 10:27 ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-05-19 10:25 ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-05-21 19:38 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-05-21 19:39 ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2026-05-21 19:50 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-05-11 15:06 ` [PATCH 18/22] KVM: x86/mmu: cleanup functions that initialize shadow MMU Paolo Bonzini
2026-05-11 15:06 ` [PATCH 19/22] KVM: x86/mmu: pull page format to a new struct Paolo Bonzini
2026-05-11 15:06 ` [PATCH 20/22] KVM: x86/mmu: merge struct rsvd_bits_validate into struct kvm_page_format Paolo Bonzini
2026-05-11 15:06 ` [PATCH 21/22] KVM: x86/mmu: parameterize update_permission_bitmask() Paolo Bonzini
2026-05-11 15:06 ` [PATCH 22/22] KVM: x86/mmu: use kvm_page_format to test SPTEs Paolo Bonzini
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