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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Dongli Zhang <dongli.zhang@oracle.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 37/41] x86/kvmclock: Use TSC for sched_clock if it's constant and non-stop
Date: Thu, 21 May 2026 14:01:35 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ag9yryEe0A7_AZCT@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c54fd01b-fe22-4c9c-8d5f-5b317de07a40@oracle.com>

On Thu, May 21, 2026, Dongli Zhang wrote:
> On 2026-05-15 12:19 PM, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > Prefer the TSC over kvmclock for sched_clock if the TSC is constant,
> > nonstop, and not marked unstable via command line.  I.e. use the same
> > criteria as tweaking the clocksource rating so that TSC is preferred over
> > kvmclock.  Per the below comment from native_sched_clock(), sched_clock
> > is more tolerant of slop than clocksource; using TSC for clocksource but
> > not sched_clock makes little to no sense, especially now that KVM CoCo
> > guests with a trusted TSC use TSC, not kvmclock.
> > 
> >         /*
> >          * Fall back to jiffies if there's no TSC available:
> >          * ( But note that we still use it if the TSC is marked
> >          *   unstable. We do this because unlike Time Of Day,
> >          *   the scheduler clock tolerates small errors and it's
> >          *   very important for it to be as fast as the platform
> >          *   can achieve it. )
> >          */
> > 
> > The only advantage of using kvmclock is that doing so allows for early
> > and common detection of PVCLOCK_GUEST_STOPPED, but that code has been
> > broken for over two years with nary a complaint, i.e. it can't be
> > _that_ valuable.  And as above, certain types of KVM guests are losing
> > the functionality regardless, i.e. acknowledging PVCLOCK_GUEST_STOPPED
> > needs to be decoupled from sched_clock() no matter what.
> 
> Has it been broken for two years because of pvclock_clocksource_read_nowd()?

Yep.  Because pvclock_clocksource_read_nowd() ignores PVCLOCK_GUEST_STOPPED, the
flag only ever gets recognized when the kernel reads WALL_CLOCK, which AFAICT
only happens at initial boot, and during suspend and resume.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-21 21:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-15 19:19 [PATCH v3 00/41] x86: Try to wrangle PV clocks vs. TSC Sean Christopherson
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 01/41] x86/tsc: Add a standalone helpers for getting TSC info from CPUID.0x15 Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 18:59   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 02/41] x86/tsc: Add helper to register CPU and TSC freq calibration routines Sean Christopherson
2026-05-18 21:59   ` Woodhouse, David
2026-05-20 17:56     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 19:04   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-20 20:44     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 21:19       ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-20 21:33         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 21:44           ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-21 20:53     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-05-21 21:01       ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-21 21:17         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-05-21 21:37           ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 03/41] x86/sev: Mark TSC as reliable when configuring Secure TSC Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 19:06   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 04/41] x86/sev: Move check for SNP Secure TSC support to tsc_early_init() Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 19:16   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 05/41] x86/tdx: Override PV calibration routines with CPUID-based calibration Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 19:52   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 06/41] x86/acrn: Mark TSC frequency as known when using ACRN for calibration Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 20:01   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-20 21:02     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 07/41] clocksource: hyper-v: Register sched_clock save/restore iff it's necessary Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 21:27   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 08/41] clocksource: hyper-v: Drop wrappers to sched_clock save/restore helpers Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 21:29   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 09/41] clocksource: hyper-v: Don't save/restore TSC offset when using HV sched_clock Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 21:30   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 10/41] x86/kvmclock: Setup kvmclock for secondary CPUs iff CONFIG_SMP=y Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 21:45   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 11/41] x86/kvm: Don't disable kvmclock on BSP in syscore_suspend() Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 21:51   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 12/41] x86/paravirt: Remove unnecessary PARAVIRT=n stub for paravirt_set_sched_clock() Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 21:53   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 13/41] x86/paravirt: Move handling of unstable PV clocks into paravirt_set_sched_clock() Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 21:57   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 14/41] x86/kvmclock: Move sched_clock save/restore helpers up in kvmclock.c Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 21:59   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 15/41] x86/xen/time: Nullify x86_platform's sched_clock save/restore hooks Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 22:11   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-20 22:54     ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 16/41] x86/vmware: Nullify save/restore hooks when using VMware's sched_clock Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 22:15   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 17/41] x86/tsc: WARN if TSC sched_clock save/restore used with PV sched_clock Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 22:27   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 18/41] x86/paravirt: Pass sched_clock save/restore helpers during registration Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 22:35   ` Woodhouse, David
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 19/41] x86/kvmclock: Move kvm_sched_clock_init() down in kvmclock.c Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 22:39   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 20/41] x86/xen/time: Mark xen_setup_vsyscall_time_info() as __init Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 22:40   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 21/41] x86/pvclock: Mark setup helpers and related various as __init/__ro_after_init Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 22:43   ` Woodhouse, David
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 22/41] x86/pvclock: WARN if pvclock's valid_flags are overwritten Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 22:44   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 23/41] x86/kvmclock: Refactor handling of PVCLOCK_TSC_STABLE_BIT during kvmclock_init() Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 22:46   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 24/41] timekeeping: Resume clocksources before reading persistent clock Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 22:52   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 25/41] x86/kvmclock: Hook clocksource.suspend/resume when kvmclock isn't sched_clock Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 23:01   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-20 23:06   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 26/41] x86/kvmclock: WARN if wall clock is read while kvmclock is suspended Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 23:19   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 27/41] x86/kvmclock: Enable kvmclock on APs during onlining if kvmclock isn't sched_clock Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 23:27   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-21 12:59     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-05-21 13:10       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-21 13:38         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-05-21 14:13           ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 28/41] x86/paravirt: Mark __paravirt_set_sched_clock() as __init Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 23:42   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 29/41] x86/paravirt: Plumb a return code into __paravirt_set_sched_clock() Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 23:44   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-21 20:35     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 30/41] x86/paravirt: Don't use a PV sched_clock in CoCo guests with trusted TSC Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 23:45   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 31/41] x86/tsc: Pass KNOWN_FREQ and RELIABLE as params to registration Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 23:49   ` Woodhouse, David
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 32/41] x86/tsc: Rejects attempts to override TSC calibration with lesser routine Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 23:50   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 33/41] x86/kvmclock: Mark TSC as reliable when it's constant and nonstop Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 23:51   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 34/41] KVM: x86: Officially define CPUID 0x40000010 as PV Timing Info (TSC and Bus) Sean Christopherson
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 35/41] x86/kvmclock: Obtain TSC frequency from CPUID if present Sean Christopherson
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 36/41] x86/kvmclock: Get local APIC bus frequency from PV CPUID Timing Info Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 23:55   ` Woodhouse, David
2026-05-21 20:34     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 37/41] x86/kvmclock: Use TSC for sched_clock if it's constant and non-stop Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 23:56   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-21  9:14   ` Dongli Zhang
2026-05-21 21:01     ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 38/41] x86/paravirt: kvmclock: Setup kvmclock early iff it's sched_clock Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 23:59   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 39/41] x86/paravirt: Move using_native_sched_clock() stub into timer.h Sean Christopherson
2026-05-21  0:00   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 40/41] x86/tsc: Add standalone helper for getting CPU frequency from CPUID Sean Christopherson
2026-05-16  7:42   ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-05-20 18:50     ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-15 19:19 ` [PATCH v3 41/41] x86/kvmclock: Get CPU base frequency from CPUID when it's available Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 18:52   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-20 19:06     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-05-18 21:11 ` [PATCH v3 00/41] x86: Try to wrangle PV clocks vs. TSC Sean Christopherson
2026-05-18 23:38 ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-20 17:59   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 18:30     ` David Woodhouse

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