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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Janosch Frank <frankja@linux.ibm.com>
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	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Sashiko review email for kvm@vger.kernel.org?
Date: Tue, 19 May 2026 20:25:31 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <agzHO6EXfAe_40F4@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fbb937ae-62e4-4386-86fb-67d9b85c8fdc@linux.ibm.com>

+KVM and LKML, which I stupidly forgot to Cc :-(

On Tue, May 19, 2026, Janosch Frank wrote:
> On 5/19/26 02:18, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > Hello people with a MAINTAINERS entry that uses kvm@vger.kernel.org as a mailing list!
> > 
> > How would y'all feel about enabling Sashiko[*] emails for kvm@vger.kernel.org?  For
> > a variety of reasons, Sashiko currently only logs its reviews to https://sashiko.dev
> > by default.  If subsystems want to receive on-list mails, they need to opt-in.
> > 
> > I really, really want to enable email reviews for KVM x86, as Sashiko has found
> > an almost embarassing number of bugs that (a) would have been painful to debug
> > had they escaped review and (b) I'm not convinced would have been found by
> > traditional review.  And for me at least the signal:noise ratio is more than good
> > enough.  There are still hallucinations and false positives from time to time,
> > but the good outweighs the bad by quite a bit, it's cathartic to flame AI when
> > it's wrong, and worst case scenario I can simply ignore Sashiko.
> > 
> > But, currently Sashiko is only capable of making decisions based on mailing list,
> > i.e. as things stand, _all_ of kvm@ needs to opt-in.  Before I badger Roman to
> > add bespoke logic to Sashiko's email flow, e.g. to special case KVM x86 in some
> > way, I want to see if there's a general consensus in favor (or against) enabling
> > review emails.
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > [*] https://github.com/sashiko-dev/sashiko
> 
> Sure,
  ^
  |- This

> as long as there will be no mails from Sashiko or at most one mail per thread.

is in conflict with the caveats here, as per-patch email is exactly what I am
proposing (the current state is that Sashiko never sends mails).

> I'd appreciate something like "I found problems in this thread, here's the
> link, go look if you want to".

While this would be easier than manually searching through the web site, there
would still be a sizeable barrier between contributors/maintainers and Sashiko
feedback.  E.g. to click through an out-of-band source, copy+paste the response
into the original thread, etc.  

What are your concerns with per-patch email?  Hallucinations and noise are
definitely a potential problem, but IMO that can be handled by per-subsystem
policy.  E.g. if the signal:noise ratio is particularly poor for a subsystem,
that subsystem can document/state that responding to, or even reading, Sashiko
mails is completely optional.

Beyond that, I'm struggling to understand why folks are opposed to getting mails
from Sashiko, especially for a list as large as kvm@.  As others pointed out, the
volume for kvm@ is already high, and it's trivially easy to create a filter for
mails from sashiko-bot@kernel.org.  I.e. it seems highly unlikely that mail from
Sashiko will require anyone to significantly rethink and/or rework their workflow,
whereas the web site approach is very disruptive to email-based review, at least
for me.

       reply	other threads:[~2026-05-19 20:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <agusSarZr-R_o2xD@google.com>
     [not found] ` <fbb937ae-62e4-4386-86fb-67d9b85c8fdc@linux.ibm.com>
2026-05-19 20:25   ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2026-05-21  9:32     ` Sashiko review email for kvm@vger.kernel.org? Janosch Frank
2026-05-21 10:55       ` Paolo Bonzini
     [not found] ` <ag0H28jSbSTHXznK@google.com>
2026-05-20 14:34   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-05-20 14:43     ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-05-20 18:54     ` David Laight

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