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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	 Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>,
	 Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	 Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org,  "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
	 Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>,
	Paul Durrant <paul@xen.org>,  Jonathan Cameron <jic23@kernel.org>,
	Sascha Bischoff <Sascha.Bischoff@arm.com>,
	 Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>, Joey Gouly <joey.gouly@arm.com>,
	Jack Allister <jalliste@amazon.com>,
	 Dongli Zhang <dongli.zhang@oracle.com>,
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	 xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 05/36] KVM: x86: Add KVM_[GS]ET_CLOCK_GUEST for accurate KVM clock migration
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2026 18:15:26 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <amgCrqyqg0zFbhO4@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e8e7554debef481d13265f0870e847e2fa37f7c2.camel@infradead.org>

On Sat, Jul 25, 2026, David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Fri, 2026-07-24 at 14:17 -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > Please post this as a standalone mini-series.  AFAICT, the only dependency of
> > any kind is a minor conflict with the s/hw_tsc_khz/hw_tsc_hz change, and that's
> > trivial to sort out later on.
> 
> Hm? The calculations in kvm_vcpu_ioctl_set_clock_guest() are all Hz-
> based, not kHz. This *was* the start of the series (Jack posted it on
> its own in 2024), and I thought I'd moved the khz/hz thing to live
> before it on purpose?
> 
> The kvm_xen_shared_info_init() one could be later, I guess. But is also
> trivial (and its commit message sets the stage for a bunch of the
> cleanups by analysing the various *different* ways that kvmclock gets
> derived). 
> 
> I confess I'm not stunningly keen on breaking the series up.

Can the KVM_[GS]ET_CLOCK_GUEST changes be moved to the end of the series?  The
total size of the series doesn't scare me, I just don't want to end up with all
the fixes and cleanups stuck behind a patch that isn't a hard dependency.  E.g.
AFAICT, none of the following changes, include selftests updates, actualy rely
on KVM_[GS]ET_CLOCK_GUEST existing.

> How about we just do it in stages? Merge patch 1 as it's fairly trivial, 

Ya, I pushed that to kvm-x86 last week, though I rebased it today because of an
unrelated goof.  It's currently commit 710b3a30f407 ("KVM: x86/xen: Do not corrupt
KVM clock in kvm_xen_shared_info_init()").  If nothing blows up in the next or two,
that should be the stable hash going forward.

> and then I can use its commit ID when I refer to its taxonomy later. Then we
> can do patches 2-6 which are the KVM_[GS]ET_CLOCK_GUEST support. And I can
> repost the remainder on top of that?
> 
> > > +4.145 KVM_GET_CLOCK_GUEST
> > > +----------------------------
> > > +
> > > +:Capability: none
> > 
> > Why not add a CAP?  The check in the subsequent selftest is quite gross.
> 
> Because nobody would ever use it in practice anyway. Even if the ioctl
> is present, you *still* have to try it and fall back to the old method
> because there are ways that a *guest* can force master clock mode off.

Hmm, I can see setups where a single entity controls both the host and the guest
wanting to assert that KVM_SET_CLOCK_GUEST succeeds, though I suppose it's
unlikely such setups would use KVM_SET_CLOCK_GUEST in the first place.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-28  1:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-03 21:17 [PATCH v6 00/36] Cleaning up the KVM clock mess David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:17 ` [PATCH v6 01/36] KVM: x86/xen: Do not corrupt KVM clock in kvm_xen_shared_info_init() David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:17 ` [PATCH v6 02/36] KVM: x86: Improve accuracy of KVM clock when TSC scaling is in force David Woodhouse
2026-07-24 21:10   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-03 21:17 ` [PATCH v6 03/36] UAPI: x86: Move pvclock-abi to UAPI for x86 platforms David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:17 ` [PATCH v6 04/36] KVM: selftests: Use UAPI pvclock-abi.h in xen_shinfo_test David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:17 ` [PATCH v6 05/36] KVM: x86: Add KVM_[GS]ET_CLOCK_GUEST for accurate KVM clock migration David Woodhouse
2026-07-24 21:17   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-25  7:47     ` David Woodhouse
2026-07-28  1:15       ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2026-07-28  2:13         ` David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:17 ` [PATCH v6 06/36] KVM: selftests: Add KVM/PV clock selftest to prove timer correction David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:17 ` [PATCH v6 07/36] KVM: x86: Explicitly disable TSC scaling without CONSTANT_TSC David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:17 ` [PATCH v6 08/36] KVM: x86: Activate master clock immediately on vCPU creation David Woodhouse
2026-07-24 21:19   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-25  7:59     ` David Woodhouse
2026-07-25 12:45       ` David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:17 ` [PATCH v6 09/36] KVM: x86: Add KVM_VCPU_TSC_SCALE and fix the documentation on TSC migration David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:17 ` [PATCH v6 10/36] KVM: x86: Avoid NTP frequency skew for KVM clock on 32-bit host David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:17 ` [PATCH v6 11/36] KVM: x86: Fold __get_kvmclock() into get_kvmclock() David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:17 ` [PATCH v6 12/36] KVM: x86: Restructure get_kvmclock() David Woodhouse
2026-07-24 21:29   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-25  7:53     ` David Woodhouse
2026-07-28  0:49       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-03 21:17 ` [PATCH v6 13/36] KVM: x86: Fix KVM clock precision in get_kvmclock() with TSC scaling David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:17 ` [PATCH v6 14/36] KVM: x86: Use get_kvmclock() in kvm_get_wall_clock_epoch() David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:17 ` [PATCH v6 15/36] KVM: x86: Fix compute_guest_tsc() to handle negative time deltas David Woodhouse
2026-07-24 21:27   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-25  7:56     ` David Woodhouse
2026-07-28  0:51       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-25 17:11     ` David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:17 ` [PATCH v6 16/36] KVM: x86: Restructure kvm_guest_time_update() for TSC upscaling David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:17 ` [PATCH v6 17/36] KVM: x86: Simplify and comment kvm_get_time_scale() David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:17 ` [PATCH v6 18/36] KVM: x86: Remove implicit rdtsc() from kvm_compute_l1_tsc_offset() David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:17 ` [PATCH v6 19/36] KVM: x86: Improve synchronization in kvm_synchronize_tsc() David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:17 ` [PATCH v6 20/36] KVM: x86: Kill last_tsc_{nsec,write,offset} fields David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:18 ` [PATCH v6 21/36] KVM: x86: Replace nr_vcpus_matched_tsc count with all_vcpus_matched_tsc bool David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:18 ` [PATCH v6 22/36] KVM: x86: Allow KVM master clock mode when TSCs are offset from each other David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:18 ` [PATCH v6 23/36] KVM: selftests: Add master clock offset test David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:18 ` [PATCH v6 24/36] KVM: x86: Factor out kvm_use_master_clock() David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:18 ` [PATCH v6 25/36] KVM: x86: Avoid gratuitous global clock updates David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:18 ` [PATCH v6 26/36] KVM: x86/xen: Prevent runstate times from becoming negative David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:18 ` [PATCH v6 27/36] KVM: x86: Avoid redundant masterclock updates from multiple vCPUs David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:18 ` [PATCH v6 28/36] KVM: x86: Remove runtime Xen TSC frequency CPUID update David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:18 ` [PATCH v6 29/36] KVM: selftests: Add Xen/generic CPUID timing leaf test David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:18 ` [PATCH v6 30/36] KVM: x86: Re-synchronize TSC after KVM_SET_TSC_KHZ David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:18 ` [PATCH v6 31/36] KVM: selftests: Add Xen runstate migration test David Woodhouse
2026-07-26  9:21   ` David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:18 ` [PATCH v6 32/36] KVM: x86: Use ktime_get_snapshot_id() for master clock David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:18 ` [PATCH v6 33/36] KVM: x86: Compute kvmclock base without pvclock_gtod_data David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:18 ` [PATCH v6 34/36] KVM: x86: Cache host vclock_mode for masterclock eligibility checks David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:18 ` [PATCH v6 35/36] KVM: x86: Remove pvclock_gtod_data and private timekeeping code David Woodhouse
2026-07-03 21:18 ` [PATCH v6 36/36] KVM: x86: Activate master clock from kvm_arch_init_vm() David Woodhouse

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