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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	 Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>,
	 Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	 Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
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	Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
	 Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>,
	Paul Durrant <paul@xen.org>,  Jonathan Cameron <jic23@kernel.org>,
	Sascha Bischoff <Sascha.Bischoff@arm.com>,
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	Jack Allister <jalliste@amazon.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 17/36] KVM: x86: Allow KVM master clock mode when TSCs are offset from each other
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2026 10:47:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <anoOz2rZ02KFk1l-@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260728144954.355376-18-dwmw2@infradead.org>

On Tue, Jul 28, 2026, David Woodhouse wrote:
> From: David Woodhouse <dwmw@amazon.co.uk>
> 
> Previously, a guest writing different TSC values on different vCPUs could
> force KVM out of master clock mode. With this change, only a frequency
> mismatch disables master clock. The only ways for non-master-clock mode
> to happen now are archaic hardware without a TSC-based clocksource, a
> VMM that sets different TSC frequencies across vCPUs, or a guest using
> the legacy MSR_KVM_SYSTEM_TIME (which could be addressed in future by
> simply updating tsc_timestamp more frequently rather than falling out of
> master clock mode entirely).
> 
> Running at a different frequency would lead to a systemic skew between
> the clock(s) as observed by different vCPUs due to arithmetic precision
> in the scaling. So that should indeed force the clock to be based on the
> host's CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW instead of being in masterclock mode where it
> is defined by the guest TSC.
> 
> But when the vCPUs merely have a different TSC *offset*, that's not a
> problem. The offset is applied to that vCPU's kvmclock->tsc_timestamp
> field, and it all comes out in the wash.

It's not though?  The value stored in kvmclock->tsc_timestamp is per-VM, not
per-vCPU, when using the master clock.  It's a little easier to see once the
master clock TSC isn't shoved into host_tsc:

	do {
		seq = read_seqcount_begin(&ka->pvclock_sc);
		use_master_clock = ka->use_master_clock;
		if (!use_master_clock)
			continue;

		if (!kvm_get_time_and_clockread(&kernel_ns, &host_tsc)) {
			use_master_clock = false;
			continue;
		}

		master_tsc = ka->master_cycle_now;
		master_ns = ka->master_kernel_ns;
	} while (read_seqcount_retry(&ka->pvclock_sc, seq));

	...

	if (use_master_clock) {
		hv_clock.tsc_timestamp = kvm_read_l1_tsc(v, master_tsc);
		hv_clock.system_time = master_ns + v->kvm->arch.kvmclock_offset;
	} else {
		hv_clock.tsc_timestamp = tsc_timestamp;
		hv_clock.system_time = kernel_ns + v->kvm->arch.kvmclock_offset;
	}

To allow different offsets, KVM would need to track a per-vCPU offset to the
master clock and apply that in kvm_guest_time_update() (and maybe other places?).
Which is doable, but it's not clear to me why we'd want to support that (though
I haven't fully processed the back half ot his series, so it's very possible I'm
missing something obvious).

  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-10 17:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-28 14:39 [PATCH v7 00/36] Cleaning up the KVM clock mess David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 14:39 ` [PATCH v7 01/36] KVM: x86: Improve accuracy of KVM clock when TSC scaling is in force David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 14:39 ` [PATCH v7 02/36] KVM: x86: Explicitly disable TSC scaling without CONSTANT_TSC David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 14:39 ` [PATCH v7 03/36] KVM: x86: Activate master clock immediately on vCPU creation David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 15:17   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-28 14:39 ` [PATCH v7 04/36] KVM: x86: Avoid NTP frequency skew for KVM clock on 32-bit host David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 14:39 ` [PATCH v7 05/36] KVM: x86: Fold __get_kvmclock() into get_kvmclock() David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 23:06   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-28 14:39 ` [PATCH v7 06/36] KVM: x86: Drop CPU pinning in get_kvmclock() David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 14:39 ` [PATCH v7 07/36] KVM: x86: Restructure get_kvmclock() David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 15:11   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-28 23:02     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-28 23:04   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-28 14:39 ` [PATCH v7 08/36] KVM: x86: Fix KVM clock precision in get_kvmclock() with TSC scaling David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 14:39 ` [PATCH v7 09/36] KVM: x86: Use get_kvmclock() in kvm_get_wall_clock_epoch() David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 14:39 ` [PATCH v7 10/36] KVM: x86: Fix compute_guest_tsc() to handle negative time deltas David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 14:39 ` [PATCH v7 11/36] KVM: x86: Restructure kvm_guest_time_update() for TSC upscaling David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 15:11   ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-04  1:26   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-28 14:39 ` [PATCH v7 12/36] KVM: x86: Simplify and comment kvm_get_time_scale() David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 14:39 ` [PATCH v7 13/36] KVM: x86: Remove implicit rdtsc() from kvm_compute_l1_tsc_offset() David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 14:39 ` [PATCH v7 14/36] KVM: x86: Improve synchronization in kvm_synchronize_tsc() David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 15:08   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-28 14:39 ` [PATCH v7 15/36] KVM: x86: Kill last_tsc_{nsec,write,offset} fields David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 15:09   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-28 14:39 ` [PATCH v7 16/36] KVM: x86: Replace nr_vcpus_matched_tsc count with all_vcpus_matched_tsc bool David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 14:39 ` [PATCH v7 17/36] KVM: x86: Allow KVM master clock mode when TSCs are offset from each other David Woodhouse
2026-08-10 17:47   ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2026-08-10 18:20     ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-10 20:56       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-10 21:05         ` David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 14:39 ` [PATCH v7 18/36] KVM: x86: Factor out kvm_use_master_clock() David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 14:39 ` [PATCH v7 19/36] KVM: x86: Avoid gratuitous global clock updates David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 14:40 ` [PATCH v7 20/36] KVM: x86/xen: Prevent runstate times from becoming negative David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 15:15   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-28 14:40 ` [PATCH v7 21/36] KVM: x86: Avoid redundant masterclock updates from multiple vCPUs David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 15:23   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-28 14:40 ` [PATCH v7 22/36] KVM: x86: Remove runtime Xen TSC frequency CPUID update David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 15:18   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-28 14:40 ` [PATCH v7 23/36] KVM: x86: Re-synchronize TSC after KVM_SET_TSC_KHZ David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 15:19   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-28 14:40 ` [PATCH v7 24/36] KVM: x86: Use ktime_get_snapshot_id() for master clock David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 15:21   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-28 22:59     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-28 14:40 ` [PATCH v7 25/36] KVM: x86: Compute kvmclock base without pvclock_gtod_data David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 14:40 ` [PATCH v7 26/36] KVM: x86: Cache host vclock_mode for masterclock eligibility checks David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 15:26   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-28 14:40 ` [PATCH v7 27/36] KVM: x86: Remove pvclock_gtod_data and private timekeeping code David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 15:25   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-28 14:40 ` [PATCH v7 28/36] KVM: x86: Activate master clock from kvm_arch_init_vm() David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 15:31   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-28 14:40 ` [PATCH v7 29/36] UAPI: x86: Move pvclock-abi to UAPI for x86 platforms David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 14:40 ` [PATCH v7 30/36] KVM: selftests: Use UAPI pvclock-abi.h in xen_shinfo_test David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 14:40 ` [PATCH v7 31/36] KVM: x86: Add KVM_[GS]ET_CLOCK_GUEST for accurate KVM clock migration David Woodhouse
2026-07-31 23:24   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-01  8:07     ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-04 23:38       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-05  9:26         ` David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 14:40 ` [PATCH v7 32/36] KVM: x86: Add KVM_VCPU_TSC_SCALE and fix the documentation on TSC migration David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 15:26   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-28 14:40 ` [PATCH v7 33/36] KVM: selftests: Add KVM/PV clock selftest to prove timer correction David Woodhouse
2026-07-31 23:32   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-28 14:40 ` [PATCH v7 34/36] KVM: selftests: Add master clock offset test David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 15:22   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-31 23:38   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-28 14:40 ` [PATCH v7 35/36] KVM: selftests: Add Xen/generic CPUID timing leaf test David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 15:23   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-28 14:40 ` [PATCH v7 36/36] KVM: selftests: Add Xen runstate migration test David Woodhouse
2026-07-28 23:18 ` [PATCH v7 00/36] Cleaning up the KVM clock mess Sean Christopherson
2026-07-29 10:42   ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-10 16:42 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-10 16:56   ` David Woodhouse

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