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charset="us-ascii" On Thu, Sep 10, 2026, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > Sean's initial email was asking for strict never-break ABI compatability > rules on top, and that is what I've been reacting to. No, I was never asking for that. I think we just have a different interpretation of ABI, or rather are talking about different pieces of ABI. I am still asking for never-break serialization format compatibility, i.e. the more literal save/restore ABI. I'm not asking for full backwards/forwards compatibility across all kernels version, i.e. the higher level "kernel" ABI. To phrase things differently: I am a-ok if kernels are inherently incompatible because they fundamentally operate differently and/or support different features. I am not ok if we end up with incompatible kernels because the save/restore interfaces and payloads are poorly designed, lack abstraction, etc.