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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
Cc: Vineeth Remanan Pillai <vineeth@bitbyteword.org>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	"H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
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	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
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	Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	Wanpeng Li <wanpengli@tencent.com>,
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	Suleiman Souhlal <suleiman@google.com>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	himadrics@inria.fr, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org, graf@amazon.com,
	drjunior.org@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 0/5] Paravirt Scheduling (Dynamic vcpu priority management)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2024 13:28:36 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b624819b-aa56-45db-b140-c830e300ab85@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEXW_YRBNs30ZC1e+U3mco22=XxaCfhPO_5wEHe+wFJjAbbSvA@mail.gmail.com>

On 2024-07-12 12:24, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 10:09 AM Mathieu Desnoyers
> <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com> wrote:
[...]
>>>
>>> Steven Rostedt told me, what we instead need is a tracepoint callback in a
>>> driver, that does the boosting.
>>
>> I utterly dislike changing the system behavior through tracepoints. They were
>> designed to observe the system, not modify its behavior. If people start abusing
>> them, then subsystem maintainers will stop adding them. Please don't do that.
>> Add a notifier or think about integrating what you are planning to add into the
>> driver instead.
> 
> Well, we do have "raw" tracepoints not accessible from userspace, so
> you're saying even those are off limits for adding callbacks?

Yes. Even the "raw" tracepoints were designed as an "observation only"
API. Using them in lieu of notifiers is really repurposing them for
something they were not meant to do.

Just in terms of maintainability at the caller site, we should be
allowed to consider _all_ tracepoints as mostly exempt from side-effects
outside of the data structures within the attached tracers. This is not
true anymore if they are repurposed as notifiers.

Thanks,

Mathieu

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
https://www.efficios.com


      reply	other threads:[~2024-07-12 17:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-03 14:01 [RFC PATCH v2 0/5] Paravirt Scheduling (Dynamic vcpu priority management) Vineeth Pillai (Google)
2024-04-03 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/5] pvsched: paravirt scheduling framework Vineeth Pillai (Google)
2024-04-08 13:57   ` Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2024-04-03 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/5] kvm: Implement the paravirt sched framework for kvm Vineeth Pillai (Google)
2024-04-08 13:58   ` Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2024-04-03 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/5] kvm: interface for managing pvsched driver for guest VMs Vineeth Pillai (Google)
2024-04-08 13:59   ` Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2024-04-03 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/5] pvsched: bpf support for pvsched Vineeth Pillai (Google)
2024-04-08 14:00   ` Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2024-04-03 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v2 5/5] selftests/bpf: sample implementation of a bpf pvsched driver Vineeth Pillai (Google)
2024-04-08 14:01   ` Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2024-04-08 13:54 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/5] Paravirt Scheduling (Dynamic vcpu priority management) Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2024-05-01 15:29 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-02 13:42   ` Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2024-06-24 11:01     ` Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2024-07-12 12:57       ` Joel Fernandes
2024-07-12 14:09         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-07-12 14:48           ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-12 15:32             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-07-12 16:14               ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-12 16:30               ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-12 16:39                 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-12 17:02                   ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-12 16:24           ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-12 16:44             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-12 16:50               ` Joel Fernandes
2024-07-12 17:08                 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-12 17:14                   ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-12 17:12               ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-16 23:44                 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-17  0:13                   ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-17  5:16                   ` Joel Fernandes
2024-07-17 14:14                     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-17 14:36                       ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-17 14:52                         ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-17 15:20                           ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-17 17:03                             ` Suleiman Souhlal
2024-07-17 20:57                             ` Joel Fernandes
2024-07-17 21:00                               ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-17 21:09                                 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-07-12 16:24           ` Joel Fernandes
2024-07-12 17:28             ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]

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