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From: Xiaoyao Li <xiaoyao.li@intel.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
	Mathias Krause <minipli@grsecurity.net>,
	John Allen <john.allen@amd.com>,
	Rick Edgecombe <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
	Chao Gao <chao.gao@intel.com>,
	Maxim Levitsky <mlevitsk@redhat.com>,
	Zhang Yi Z <yi.z.zhang@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v15 13/41] KVM: x86: Enable guest SSP read/write interface with new uAPIs
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2025 13:52:36 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d1bfb652-19ff-434f-bd51-b990543d14d6@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aMiPTEu_WfmEZiqT@google.com>

On 9/16/2025 6:12 AM, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 15, 2025, Xiaoyao Li wrote:
>> On 9/13/2025 7:22 AM, Sean Christopherson wrote:
>>> @@ -6097,11 +6105,22 @@ static int kvm_get_set_one_reg(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu, unsigned int ioctl,
>>>    static int kvm_get_reg_list(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu,
>>>    			    struct kvm_reg_list __user *user_list)
>>>    {
>>> -	u64 nr_regs = 0;
>>> +	u64 nr_regs = guest_cpu_cap_has(vcpu, X86_FEATURE_SHSTK) ? 1 : 0;
>>
>> I wonder what's the semantic of KVM returning KVM_REG_GUEST_SSP on
>> KVM_GET_REG_LIST. Does it ensure KVM_{G,S}ET_ONE_REG returns -EINVAL on
>> KVM_REG_GUEST_SSP when it's not enumerated by KVM_GET_REG_LIST?
>>
>> If so, but KVM_{G,S}ET_ONE_REG can succeed on GUEST_SSP even if
>> !guest_cpu_cap_has() when @ignore_msrs is true.
> 
> Ugh, great catch.  Too many knobs.  The best idea I've got it to to exempt KVM-
> internal MSRs from ignore_msrs and report_ignored_msrs on host-initiated writes.
> That's unfortunately still a userspace visible change, and would continue to be
> userspace-visible, e.g. if we wanted to change the magic value for
> MSR_KVM_INTERNAL_GUEST_SSP.
> 
> diff --git a/arch/x86/kvm/x86.c b/arch/x86/kvm/x86.c
> index c78acab2ff3f..6a50261d1c5c 100644
> --- a/arch/x86/kvm/x86.c
> +++ b/arch/x86/kvm/x86.c
> @@ -511,6 +511,11 @@ static bool kvm_is_advertised_msr(u32 msr_index)
>          return false;
>   }
>   
> +static bool kvm_is_internal_msr(u32 msr)
> +{
> +       return msr == MSR_KVM_INTERNAL_GUEST_SSP;
> +}
> +
>   typedef int (*msr_access_t)(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu, u32 index, u64 *data,
>                              bool host_initiated);
>   
> @@ -544,6 +549,9 @@ static __always_inline int kvm_do_msr_access(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu, u32 msr,
>          if (host_initiated && !*data && kvm_is_advertised_msr(msr))
>                  return 0;
>   
> +       if (host_initiated && kvm_is_internal_msr(msr))
> +               return ret;
> +
>          if (!ignore_msrs) {
>                  kvm_debug_ratelimited("unhandled %s: 0x%x data 0x%llx\n",
>                                        op, msr, *data);
> 
> Alternatively, simply exempt host writes from ignore_msrs.  Aha!  And KVM even
> documents that as the behavior:
> 
> 	kvm.ignore_msrs=[KVM] Ignore guest accesses to unhandled MSRs.
> 			Default is 0 (don't ignore, but inject #GP)
> 
> diff --git a/arch/x86/kvm/x86.c b/arch/x86/kvm/x86.c
> index c78acab2ff3f..177253e75b41 100644
> --- a/arch/x86/kvm/x86.c
> +++ b/arch/x86/kvm/x86.c
> @@ -544,7 +544,7 @@ static __always_inline int kvm_do_msr_access(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu, u32 msr,
>          if (host_initiated && !*data && kvm_is_advertised_msr(msr))
>                  return 0;
>   
> -       if (!ignore_msrs) {
> +       if (host_initiated || !ignore_msrs) {
>                  kvm_debug_ratelimited("unhandled %s: 0x%x data 0x%llx\n",
>                                        op, msr, *data);
>                  return ret;
> 
> So while it's technically an ABI change (arguable since it's guarded by an
> off-by-default param), I suspect we can get away with it.  Hmm, commit 6abe9c1386e5
> ("KVM: X86: Move ignore_msrs handling upper the stack") exempted KVM-internal
> MSR accesses from ignore_msrs, but doesn't provide much in the way of justification
> for _why_ that's desirable.
> 
> Argh, and that same mini-series extended the behavior to feature MSRs, again
> without seeming to consider whether or not it's actually desirable to suppress
> bad VMM accesses.  Even worse, that decision likely generated an absurd amount
> of churn and noise due to splattering helpers and variants all over the place. :-(
> 
> commit 12bc2132b15e0a969b3f455d90a5f215ef239eff
> Author:     Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
> AuthorDate: Mon Jun 22 18:04:42 2020 -0400
> Commit:     Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
> CommitDate: Wed Jul 8 16:21:40 2020 -0400
> 
>      KVM: X86: Do the same ignore_msrs check for feature msrs
>      
>      Logically the ignore_msrs and report_ignored_msrs should also apply to feature
>      MSRs.  Add them in.
> 
> For 6.18, I think the safe play is to go with the first path (exempt KVM-internal
> MSRs), and then try to go for the second approach (exempt all host accesses) for
> 6.19.  KVM's ABI for ignore_msrs=true is already all kinds of messed up, so I'm
> not terribly concerned about temporarily making it marginally worse.

Looks OK to me.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-16  5:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-12 23:22 [PATCH v15 00/41] KVM: x86: Mega-CET Sean Christopherson
2025-09-12 23:22 ` [PATCH v15 01/41] KVM: SEV: Rename kvm_ghcb_get_sw_exit_code() to kvm_get_cached_sw_exit_code() Sean Christopherson
2025-09-15 16:15   ` Tom Lendacky
2025-09-15 16:30     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-12 23:22 ` [PATCH v15 02/41] KVM: SEV: Read save fields from GHCB exactly once Sean Christopherson
2025-09-15 17:32   ` Tom Lendacky
2025-09-15 21:08     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-17 21:47       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-12 23:22 ` [PATCH v15 03/41] KVM: SEV: Validate XCR0 provided by guest in GHCB Sean Christopherson
2025-09-15 18:41   ` Tom Lendacky
2025-09-15 21:22     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-12 23:22 ` [PATCH v15 04/41] KVM: x86: Introduce KVM_{G,S}ET_ONE_REG uAPIs support Sean Christopherson
2025-09-15  6:29   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-09-16  7:10   ` Binbin Wu
2025-09-17 13:14     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-12 23:22 ` [PATCH v15 05/41] KVM: x86: Report XSS as to-be-saved if there are supported features Sean Christopherson
2025-09-16  7:12   ` Binbin Wu
2025-09-12 23:22 ` [PATCH v15 06/41] KVM: x86: Check XSS validity against guest CPUIDs Sean Christopherson
2025-09-16  7:20   ` Binbin Wu
2025-09-12 23:22 ` [PATCH v15 07/41] KVM: x86: Refresh CPUID on write to guest MSR_IA32_XSS Sean Christopherson
2025-09-16  7:23   ` Binbin Wu
2025-09-12 23:22 ` [PATCH v15 08/41] KVM: x86: Initialize kvm_caps.supported_xss Sean Christopherson
2025-09-16  7:29   ` Binbin Wu
2025-09-12 23:22 ` [PATCH v15 09/41] KVM: x86: Load guest FPU state when access XSAVE-managed MSRs Sean Christopherson
2025-09-15 17:04   ` Xin Li
2025-09-16  6:51   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-09-16  8:28   ` Binbin Wu
2025-09-17  2:51     ` Binbin Wu
2025-09-17 12:47     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-17 21:56       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-12 23:22 ` [PATCH v15 10/41] KVM: x86: Add fault checks for guest CR4.CET setting Sean Christopherson
2025-09-16  8:33   ` Binbin Wu
2025-09-12 23:22 ` [PATCH v15 11/41] KVM: x86: Report KVM supported CET MSRs as to-be-saved Sean Christopherson
2025-09-15  6:30   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-09-16  8:46   ` Binbin Wu
2025-09-12 23:22 ` [PATCH v15 12/41] KVM: VMX: Introduce CET VMCS fields and control bits Sean Christopherson
2025-09-15  6:31   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-09-16  9:00   ` Binbin Wu
2025-09-12 23:22 ` [PATCH v15 13/41] KVM: x86: Enable guest SSP read/write interface with new uAPIs Sean Christopherson
2025-09-15  6:55   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-09-15 22:12     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-16  5:52       ` Xiaoyao Li [this message]
2025-09-19 17:47         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-19 17:58           ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-12 23:22 ` [PATCH v15 14/41] KVM: VMX: Emulate read and write to CET MSRs Sean Christopherson
2025-09-16  7:07   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-09-16  7:48     ` Chao Gao
2025-09-16  8:10       ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-09-19 22:11     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-17  7:52   ` Binbin Wu
2025-09-12 23:22 ` [PATCH v15 15/41] KVM: x86: Save and reload SSP to/from SMRAM Sean Christopherson
2025-09-16  7:37   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-09-17  7:53   ` Binbin Wu
2025-09-12 23:22 ` [PATCH v15 16/41] KVM: VMX: Set up interception for CET MSRs Sean Christopherson
2025-09-15 17:21   ` Xin Li
2025-09-16  7:40   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-09-17  8:32   ` Binbin Wu
2025-09-17 13:44     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-12 23:22 ` [PATCH v15 17/41] KVM: VMX: Set host constant supervisor states to VMCS fields Sean Christopherson
2025-09-16  7:44   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-09-17  8:48   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-09-17 21:25     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-12 23:22 ` [PATCH v15 18/41] KVM: x86: Don't emulate instructions affected by CET features Sean Christopherson
2025-09-17  8:16   ` Chao Gao
2025-09-17 21:15     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-18 14:54       ` Chao Gao
2025-09-18 18:02         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-17  8:19   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-09-18 14:15     ` Chao Gao
2025-09-19  1:25       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-17  8:45   ` Binbin Wu
2025-09-12 23:22 ` [PATCH v15 19/41] KVM: x86: Enable CET virtualization for VMX and advertise to userspace Sean Christopherson
2025-09-18  1:57   ` Binbin Wu
2025-09-19 22:57     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-18  2:18   ` Binbin Wu
2025-09-18 18:05     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-19  7:10       ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-09-19 14:25         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-12 23:22 ` [PATCH v15 20/41] KVM: nVMX: Virtualize NO_HW_ERROR_CODE_CC for L1 event injection to L2 Sean Christopherson
2025-09-18  2:27   ` Binbin Wu
2025-09-12 23:22 ` [PATCH v15 21/41] KVM: nVMX: Prepare for enabling CET support for nested guest Sean Christopherson
2025-09-15 17:45   ` Xin Li
2025-09-18  4:48   ` Xin Li
2025-09-18 18:05     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-12 23:23 ` [PATCH v15 22/41] KVM: nVMX: Add consistency checks for CR0.WP and CR4.CET Sean Christopherson
2025-09-12 23:23 ` [PATCH v15 23/41] KVM: nVMX: Add consistency checks for CET states Sean Christopherson
2025-09-12 23:23 ` [PATCH v15 24/41] KVM: nVMX: Advertise new VM-Entry/Exit control bits for CET state Sean Christopherson
2025-09-12 23:23 ` [PATCH v15 25/41] KVM: x86: SVM: Emulate reads and writes to shadow stack MSRs Sean Christopherson
2025-09-15 17:56   ` Xin Li
2025-09-15 20:43     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-12 23:23 ` [PATCH v15 26/41] KVM: nSVM: Save/load CET Shadow Stack state to/from vmcb12/vmcb02 Sean Christopherson
2025-09-12 23:23 ` [PATCH v15 27/41] KVM: x86: SVM: Update dump_vmcb with shadow stack save area additions Sean Christopherson
2025-09-12 23:23 ` [PATCH v15 28/41] KVM: x86: SVM: Pass through shadow stack MSRs as appropriate Sean Christopherson
2025-09-12 23:23 ` [PATCH v15 29/41] KVM: SEV: Synchronize MSR_IA32_XSS from the GHCB when it's valid Sean Christopherson
2025-09-16 18:55   ` John Allen
2025-09-16 19:53     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-16 20:33       ` John Allen
2025-09-16 21:38         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-16 22:55           ` John Allen
2025-09-18 19:48             ` John Allen
2025-09-18 20:34               ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-18 20:44                 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-18 21:23                   ` John Allen
2025-09-18 21:42                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-09-18 22:18                       ` John Allen
2025-09-19 13:40                         ` Tom Lendacky
2025-09-19 16:13                           ` John Allen
2025-09-19 17:29                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-09-19 20:58                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-09-22  9:19                               ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-09-22  9:33                                 ` Upadhyay, Neeraj
2025-09-22  9:54                                   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-09-12 23:23 ` [PATCH v15 30/41] KVM: SVM: Enable shadow stack virtualization for SVM Sean Christopherson
2025-09-12 23:23 ` [PATCH v15 31/41] KVM: x86: Add human friendly formatting for #XM, and #VE Sean Christopherson
2025-09-12 23:23 ` [PATCH v15 32/41] KVM: x86: Define Control Protection Exception (#CP) vector Sean Christopherson
2025-09-12 23:23 ` [PATCH v15 33/41] KVM: x86: Define AMD's #HV, #VC, and #SX exception vectors Sean Christopherson
2025-09-12 23:23 ` [PATCH v15 34/41] KVM: selftests: Add ex_str() to print human friendly name of " Sean Christopherson
2025-09-15  9:07   ` Chao Gao
2025-09-12 23:23 ` [PATCH v15 35/41] KVM: selftests: Add an MSR test to exercise guest/host and read/write Sean Christopherson
2025-09-15  8:22   ` Chao Gao
2025-09-15 17:00     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-12 23:23 ` [PATCH v15 36/41] KVM: selftests: Add support for MSR_IA32_{S,U}_CET to MSRs test Sean Christopherson
2025-09-12 23:23 ` [PATCH v15 37/41] KVM: selftests: Extend MSRs test to validate vCPUs without supported features Sean Christopherson
2025-09-12 23:23 ` [PATCH v15 38/41] KVM: selftests: Add KVM_{G,S}ET_ONE_REG coverage to MSRs test Sean Christopherson
2025-09-12 23:23 ` [PATCH v15 39/41] KVM: selftests: Add coverate for KVM-defined registers in " Sean Christopherson
2025-09-12 23:23 ` [PATCH v15 40/41] KVM: selftests: Verify MSRs are (not) in save/restore list when (un)supported Sean Christopherson
2025-09-12 23:23 ` [PATCH v15 41/41] KVM: VMX: Make CR4.CET a guest owned bit Sean Christopherson
2025-09-15 13:18 ` [PATCH v15 00/41] KVM: x86: Mega-CET Mathias Krause
2025-09-15 21:20 ` John Allen
2025-09-16 13:53 ` Chao Gao

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