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From: Jeremi Piotrowski <jpiotrowski@linux.microsoft.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: Mathias Krause <minipli@grsecurity.net>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/6] KVM: MMU: performance tweaks for heavy CR0.WP users
Date: Tue, 2 May 2023 19:38:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e411ce45-52fc-5602-c251-775e9343a1c3@linux.microsoft.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZDm02GVx0/tiIoiM@google.com>

On 4/14/2023 10:17 PM, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 14, 2023, Jeremi Piotrowski wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 09:49:28AM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
>>> +Jeremi
>>>
>>
>> Adding myself :)
> 
> /facepalm
> 
> This isn't some mundane detail, Michael!!!
> 
>>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2023, Mathias Krause wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>>> OTOH, the backports give nice speed-ups, ranging from ~2.2 times faster
>>>> for pure EPT (legacy) MMU setups up to 18(!!!) times faster for TDP MMU
>>>> on v5.10.
>>>
>>> Anyone that's enabling the TDP MMU on v5.10 is on their own, we didn't enable the
>>> TDP MMU by default until v5.14 for very good reasons.
>>>
>>>> I backported the whole series down to v5.10 but left out the CR0.WP
>>>> guest owning patch+fix for v5.4 as the code base is too different to get
>>>> all the nuances right, as Sean already hinted. However, even this
>>>> limited backport provides a big performance fix for our use case!
>>>
>>> As a compromise of sorts, I propose that we disable the TDP MMU by default on v5.15,
>>> and backport these fixes to v6.1.  v5.15 and earlier won't get "ludicrous speed", but
>>> I think that's perfectly acceptable since KVM has had the suboptimal behavior
>>> literally since EPT/NPT support was first added.
>>>
>>
>> Disabling TDP MMU for v5.15, and backporting things to v6.1 works for me.
>>
>>> I'm comfortable backporting to v6.1 as that is recent enough, and there weren't
>>> substantial MMU changes between v6.1 and v6.3 in this area.  I.e. I have a decent
>>> level of confidence that we aren't overlooking some subtle dependency.
>>>
>>> For v5.15, I am less confident in the safety of a backport, and more importantly,
>>> I think we should disable the TDP MMU by default to mitigate the underlying flaw
>>> that makes the 18x speedup possible.  That flaw is that KVM can end up freeing and
>>> rebuilding TDP MMU roots every time CR0.WP is toggled or a vCPU transitions to/from
>>> SMM.
>>>
>>
So given that there hasn't been any further comms, I assume we stick to the plan outlined
above: disable tdp_mmu by default for 5.15.

Should that just be a revert of 71ba3f3189c78f756a659568fb473600fd78f207
("KVM: x86: enable TDP MMU by default") or a new patch and more importantly - do you want
to post the patch Sean, or are you busy and would prefer if someone else did?

Jeremi

  reply	other threads:[~2023-05-02 17:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-22  1:37 [PATCH v4 0/6] KVM: MMU: performance tweaks for heavy CR0.WP users Mathias Krause
2023-03-22  1:37 ` [PATCH v4 1/6] KVM: x86/mmu: Avoid indirect call for get_cr3 Mathias Krause
2023-03-22  1:37 ` [PATCH v4 2/6] KVM: x86: Do not unload MMU roots when only toggling CR0.WP with TDP enabled Mathias Krause
2023-05-07  7:32   ` Robert Hoo
2023-05-08  9:30     ` Mathias Krause
2023-05-09  1:04       ` Robert Hoo
2023-03-22  1:37 ` [PATCH v4 3/6] KVM: x86: Ignore CR0.WP toggles in non-paging mode Mathias Krause
2023-03-22  1:37 ` [PATCH v4 4/6] KVM: x86: Make use of kvm_read_cr*_bits() when testing bits Mathias Krause
2023-03-22  1:37 ` [PATCH v4 5/6] KVM: x86/mmu: Fix comment typo Mathias Krause
2023-03-22  1:37 ` [PATCH v4 6/6] KVM: VMX: Make CR0.WP a guest owned bit Mathias Krause
2023-03-27  8:33   ` Xiaoyao Li
2023-03-27  8:37     ` Mathias Krause
2023-03-27 13:48       ` Xiaoyao Li
2023-03-30  8:45   ` Mathias Krause
2023-03-30 17:12     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-03-30 20:15       ` Mathias Krause
2023-03-30 20:30         ` Mathias Krause
2023-03-30 20:36           ` Sean Christopherson
2023-03-30 20:33       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-03-30 20:55         ` Mathias Krause
2023-03-31 14:18           ` Mathias Krause
2023-03-22  7:41 ` [PATCH v4 0/6] KVM: MMU: performance tweaks for heavy CR0.WP users Mathias Krause
2023-03-23 22:50 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-03-25 11:39   ` Mathias Krause
2023-03-25 12:25     ` Greg KH
2023-04-06  2:25       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-04-06 13:22         ` Mathias Krause
2023-04-14  9:29           ` Mathias Krause
2023-04-14 16:49             ` Sean Christopherson
2023-04-14 20:09               ` Jeremi Piotrowski
2023-04-14 20:17                 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-05-02 17:38                   ` Jeremi Piotrowski [this message]
2023-05-08  9:19               ` Mathias Krause
2023-05-08 15:57                 ` Mathias Krause

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