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From: Xiao Guangrong <guangrong.xiao-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: DAX mapping detection (was: Re: [PATCH] Fix region lost in /proc/self/smaps)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 14:00:07 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ee62e419-6dd2-4cbd-c84a-d73b0cce2f2c@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4ibiZG3SkW0TZywn8Qovo3hpxBqs4wCfw1DFEbbE=1-Mg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>



On 09/09/2016 11:40 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 1:55 AM, Xiao Guangrong
> <guangrong.xiao-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> [..]
>>>
>>> Whether a persistent memory mapping requires an msync/fsync is a
>>> filesystem specific question.  This mincore proposal is separate from
>>> that.  Consider device-DAX for volatile memory or mincore() called on
>>> an anonymous memory range.  In those cases persistence and filesystem
>>> metadata are not in the picture, but it would still be useful for
>>> userspace to know "is there page cache backing this mapping?" or "what
>>> is the TLB geometry of this mapping?".
>>
>>
>> I got a question about msync/fsync which is beyond the topic of this thread
>> :)
>>
>> Whether msync/fsync can make data persistent depends on ADR feature on
>> memory
>> controller, if it exists everything works well, otherwise, we need to have
>> another
>> interface that is why 'Flush hint table' in ACPI comes in. 'Flush hint
>> table' is
>> particularly useful for nvdimm virtualization if we use normal memory to
>> emulate
>> nvdimm with data persistent characteristic (the data will be flushed to a
>> persistent storage, e.g, disk).
>>
>> Does current PMEM programming model fully supports 'Flush hint table'? Is
>> userspace allowed to use these addresses?
>
> If you publish flush hint addresses in the virtual NFIT the guest VM
> will write to them whenever a REQ_FLUSH or REQ_FUA request is sent to
> the virtual /dev/pmemX device.  Yes, seems straightforward to take a
> VM exit on those events and flush simulated pmem to persistent
> storage.
>

Thank you, Dan!

However REQ_FLUSH or REQ_FUA is handled in kernel space, okay, after following
up the discussion in this thread, i understood that currently filesystems have
not supported the case that usespace itself make data be persistent without
kernel's involvement. So that works.

Hmm, Does device-DAX support this case (make data be persistent without
msync/fsync)? I guess no, but just want to confirm it. :)

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-09-12  6:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-09-08  4:32 DAX mapping detection (was: Re: [PATCH] Fix region lost in /proc/self/smaps) Dan Williams
     [not found] ` <CAPcyv4iDra+mRqEejfGqapKEAFZmUtUcg0dsJ8nt7mOhcT-Qpw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-08 22:56   ` Ross Zwisler
2016-09-08 23:04     ` Dan Williams
2016-09-09  8:55       ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-09-09 15:40         ` Dan Williams
     [not found]           ` <CAPcyv4ibiZG3SkW0TZywn8Qovo3hpxBqs4wCfw1DFEbbE=1-Mg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-12  6:00             ` Xiao Guangrong [this message]
2016-09-12  3:44         ` Rudoff, Andy
2016-09-12  6:31           ` Xiao Guangrong
     [not found]     ` <20160908225636.GB15167-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-12  1:40       ` Dave Chinner
2016-09-15  5:55         ` Darrick J. Wong
2016-09-15  6:25           ` Dave Chinner
2016-09-12  5:27       ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-09-12  7:25         ` Oliver O'Halloran
2016-09-12  7:51           ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-09-12  8:05             ` Nicholas Piggin
     [not found]               ` <20160912180507.533b3549-a5aMA/AkCkgK5Ils6ZIQy0EOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-12 15:01                 ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                   ` <20160912150148.GA10039-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-13  1:31                     ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-09-13  4:06                       ` Dan Williams
2016-09-13  5:40                         ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-09-12 21:34               ` Dave Chinner
2016-09-13  1:53                 ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-09-13  7:17                   ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                     ` <20160913071732.GA19433-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-13  9:06                       ` Nicholas Piggin
     [not found]                   ` <20160913115311.509101b0-a5aMA/AkCkgK5Ils6ZIQy0EOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-14  7:39                     ` Dave Chinner
2016-09-14 10:19                       ` Nicholas Piggin
     [not found]                         ` <20160914201936.08315277-a5aMA/AkCkgK5Ils6ZIQy0EOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-15  2:31                           ` Dave Chinner
2016-09-15  3:49                             ` Nicholas Piggin
     [not found]                               ` <20160915134945.0aaa4f5a-a5aMA/AkCkgK5Ils6ZIQy0EOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-15 10:32                                 ` Dave Chinner
2016-09-15 11:42                                   ` Nicholas Piggin
     [not found]                                     ` <20160915214222.505f4888-a5aMA/AkCkgK5Ils6ZIQy0EOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-15 22:33                                       ` Dave Chinner
2016-09-16  5:54                                         ` Nicholas Piggin
     [not found]                                           ` <20160916155405.6b634bbc-a5aMA/AkCkgK5Ils6ZIQy0EOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2016-12-19 21:11                                             ` Ross Zwisler
     [not found]                                               ` <20161219211149.GA12822-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2016-12-20  1:09                                                 ` Darrick J. Wong
2016-12-20  1:18                                                   ` Dan Williams
     [not found]                                                     ` <CAPcyv4g6LVTVrtGz+vdV2bLvskrYrCBss80qB-HtjAE+Sae=UA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-12-21  0:40                                                       ` Darrick J. Wong
     [not found]                                                         ` <20161221004031.GF9865-PTl6brltDGh4DFYR7WNSRA@public.gmane.org>
2016-12-21 16:53                                                           ` Dan Williams
2016-12-21 21:24                                                             ` Dave Chinner
2016-12-21 21:33                                                               ` Dan Williams

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