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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Pawan Gupta <pawan.kumar.gupta@linux.intel.com>,
	Jiaxi Chen <jiaxi.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	Kim Phillips <kim.phillips@amd.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: KVM: Add feature flag for AMD's FsGsKernelGsBaseNonSerializing
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2023 09:35:39 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ef665e55-7604-e167-7c49-739c284c248c@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALMp9eT2qHSig-ptP461GbLSfg86aCRjoxzK9Q7dc6yXSpPn7A@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/5/23 09:22, Jim Mattson wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 12:59 AM Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de> wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 03, 2023 at 07:44:51PM -0700, Jim Mattson wrote:
>>> The business of declaring breaking changes to the architectural
>>> specification in a CPUID bit has never made much sense to me.
>> How else should they be expressed then?
>>
>> In some flaky PDF which changes URLs whenever the new corporate CMS gets
>> installed?
>>
>> Or we should do f/m/s matching which doesn't make any sense for VMs?
>>
>> When you think about it, CPUID is the best thing we have.
> Every time a new defeature bit is introduced, it breaks existing
> hypervisors, because no one can predict ahead of time that these bits
> have to be passed through.
> 
> I wonder if we could convince x86 CPU vendors to put all defeature
> bits under a single leaf, so that we can just set the entire leaf to
> all 1's in KVM_GET_SUPPORTED_CPUID.

I hope I'm not throwing stones from a glass house here...

But I'm struggling to think of cases where Intel has read-only
"defeature bits" like this one.  There are certainly things like
MSR_IA32_MISC_ENABLE_FAST_STRING that can be toggled, but read-only
indicators of a departure from established architecture seems ...
suboptimal.

It's arguable that TDX changed a bunch of architecture like causing
exceptions on CPUID and MSRs that never caused exceptions before and
_that_ constitutes a defeature.  But that's the least of the problems
for a TDX VM. :)

(Seriously, I'm not trying to shame Intel's x86 fellow travelers here,
 just trying to make sure I'm not missing something).

  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-05 16:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-04  0:20 [PATCH] x86: KVM: Add feature flag for AMD's FsGsKernelGsBaseNonSerializing Jim Mattson
2023-10-04  0:57 ` Dave Hansen
2023-10-04  2:44   ` Jim Mattson
2023-10-04  3:27     ` Dave Hansen
2023-10-04  4:24       ` Jim Mattson
2023-10-04  7:58     ` Borislav Petkov
2023-10-04 20:29       ` Jim Mattson
2023-10-05 16:22       ` Jim Mattson
2023-10-05 16:35         ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2023-10-05 16:41           ` Jim Mattson
2023-10-05 16:51             ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-10-05 17:52             ` Dave Hansen
2023-10-05 16:38       ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-10-05 17:06         ` Jim Mattson
2023-10-05 17:14           ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-10-05 17:27             ` Jim Mattson

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