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From: Nolan <nolan@sigbus.net>
To: kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Live memory allocation?
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:25:52 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <loom.20090328T181813-137@post.gmane.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 200903280738.34169.alberto@byu.edu

Alberto Treviño <alberto <at> byu.edu> writes:
> The problem I've seen with this feature is that Windows guests end up taking 
> all of their available memory once they are up and running.  For example, 
> booting Windows XP in KVM 82 show a steady increase in memory.  Then about 
> the time the login box is about to appear, memory usage jumps to the maximum 
> allowed to the VM (512 MB in this case).  I remember reading somewhere 
> Windows would try to initialize all memory during boot, causing KVM to 
> allocate all memory.  VMware, however (and I don't know about VirtualBox) 
> knows about this and works around it, making sure memory isn't all allocated 
> during the Windows boot process.

Windows does zero all memory at boot, and also runs a idle-priority thread in
the background to zero memory as it is freed.  This way it is far less likely to
need to zero a page to satisfy a memory allocation request.  Whether or not this
is still a win now that people care about power consumption is an open question.

I suspect the difference of behavior between KVM and VMware is related to
VMware's page sharing.  All those zeroed pages can be collapsed into one COW
zero page.  I wouldn't be surprised to learn that VMware has heuristics in the
page sharing code specifically for windows guests.

Perhaps KSM would help you?  Alternately, a heuristic that scanned for (and
collapsed) fully zeroed pages when a page is faulted in for the first time could
catch these.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-03-28 18:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-26 13:44 Live memory allocation? Evert
2009-03-26 14:01 ` Tomasz Chmielewski
2009-03-26 14:04   ` Izik Eidus
2009-03-26 14:11     ` Tomasz Chmielewski
2009-03-26 17:47       ` Evert
2009-03-28 13:38       ` Alberto Treviño
2009-03-28 17:17         ` Brian Jackson
2009-03-30 13:23           ` Alberto Treviño
2009-03-30 15:48             ` Brian Jackson
2009-03-28 18:25         ` Nolan [this message]
2009-03-29 12:33           ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-30 13:40             ` Tomasz Chmielewski
2009-03-30 13:48               ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-30 13:55                 ` Tomasz Chmielewski
2009-03-30 14:58                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-30 15:15                     ` Tomasz Chmielewski
2009-03-30 15:18                       ` Javier Guerra
2009-03-31  9:30                         ` Tomasz Chmielewski

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