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From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	"Richard W. M. Jones" <rjones@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] qemu-kvm: Switch to upstream -enable-kvm semantics
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:57:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m339pyyl59.fsf@blackfin.pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D08FB7D.2010702@codemonkey.ws> (Anthony Liguori's message of "Wed, 15 Dec 2010 11:31:41 -0600")

Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws> writes:

> On 12/15/2010 09:50 AM, Markus Armbruster wrote:
>> We currently enable KVM by default, and when it's not available, we
>> print a message and fall back to TCG.  Option -enable-kvm is ignored.
>> Option -no-kvm suppresses KVM.
>>
>> Upstream works differently: KVM is off by default, -enable-kvm
>> switches it on.  -enable-kvm terminates the process unsuccessfully if
>> KVM is not available.
>>
>> upstream qemu   |  default  |-enable-kvm
>> ----------------+-----------+-----------
>> KVM available   | disabled  |  enabled
>> KVM unavailable | disabled  |    fail
>>
>> qemu-kvm        |  default  |-enable-kvm
>> ----------------+-----------+-----------
>> KVM available   |  enabled* |  enabled
>> KVM unavailable | disabled  | disabled*
>>
>> * differs from upstream
>>
>> Users of qemu and qemu-kvm need to be aware of these differences to
>> enable / disable use of KVM reliably.  This is bothersome.
>>
>> Consider -enable-kvm when KVM is unavailable: If the user expects
>> qemu-kvm behavior (fall back), but qemu fails, he'll likely be
>> surprised and unhappy.  If the user expects upstream behavior (fail),
>> but qemu-kvm falls back to TCG, the guest runs slow as molasses, and
>> the user will likely be confused and unhappy (unless he spots and
>> understands the "disable KVM" message).
>>
>> Switch to upstream semantics: KVM off by default, -enable-kvm switches
>> it on, and when it can't, it's fatal.
>>
>> Having to enable KVM explicitly is annoying, but the proper place to
>> address that is upstream.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Markus Armbruster<armbru@redhat.com>
>>    
>
> Backwards compatibility is going to kill us if we try to make this change.
>
> Current qemu-kvm behavior:
>
> default: -accel kvm,tcg
> -no-kvm: -accel tcg
> -enable-kvm: -accel kvm,tcg
>
> Current upstream behavior
>
> default: -accel tcg
> -enable-kvm: -accel kvm
>
> I think we should tie `-accel' to the machine type.  For qemu-kvm, a
> different default machine type should be used than upstream qemu (it
> really should be a configure switch).
>
> For `pc', the default `-accel' behavior should remain 'tcg'.  For
> kvmpc', the default `-accel' behavior should be 'kvm,tcg'.
>
> -no-kvm should be deprecated.  -enable-kvm should also be deprecated
> in favor of the `-accel' option.

I'm fine with -accel and deprecating the old options.  But until we have
that:

> In the short term, it would be a good idea to modify qemu-kvm to
> switch the -enable-kvm semantics to match upstream (fail if KVM isn't
> available).

That's what my patch does.

Additionally, it changes the default to match upstream: KVM disabled.

What do you want changed in my patch?

>              Adding an alias for 'kvmpc' upstream and qemu-kvm and
> making qemu-kvm default to 'kvmpc' would be helpful for management
> tools too.

That would address "Having to enable KVM explicitly is annoying".

  reply	other threads:[~2010-12-15 17:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-12-15 15:50 [PATCH] qemu-kvm: Switch to upstream -enable-kvm semantics Markus Armbruster
2010-12-15 17:31 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-12-15 17:57   ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
2010-12-21 15:16     ` Avi Kivity
2010-12-21 15:41       ` Markus Armbruster
2010-12-21 15:48         ` Avi Kivity
2010-12-21 16:05           ` Markus Armbruster
2010-12-21 16:00         ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-12-21 16:02           ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-12-21 16:07           ` Markus Armbruster
2010-12-21 16:56             ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2010-12-21 17:25               ` Alexander Graf

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