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From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
Cc: Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	Prasad Joshi <prasadjoshi124@gmail.com>,
	mingo@elte.hu, kvm@vger.kernel.org, asias.hejun@gmail.com,
	gorcunov@gmail.com, levinsasha928@gmail.com,
	stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] kvm tool: add QCOW verions 1 read/write support
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:02:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3fwplrw0q.fsf@blackfin.pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4DA6C3DA.5000706@redhat.com> (Kevin Wolf's message of "Thu, 14 Apr 2011 11:52:26 +0200")

Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com> writes:

> Am 14.04.2011 11:26, schrieb Markus Armbruster:
>> Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com> writes:
>> 
>>> Am 14.04.2011 10:32, schrieb Pekka Enberg:
>>>> Hi Kevin!
>>>>
>>>> Am 14.04.2011 10:21, schrieb Pekka Enberg:
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Have you thought about a way to actually share code with qemu instead of
>>>>>>> repeating Xen's mistake of copying code, modifying it until merges are
>>>>>>> no longer possible and then let it bitrot?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No we haven't and we're not planning to copy QEMU code as-is but
>>>>>> re-implement support for formats we're interested in.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>> Okay. I might not consider it wise, but in the end it's your decision.
>>>>> I'm just curious why you think this is the better way?
>>>>
>>>> Well, how would you go about sharing the code without copying in
>>>> practical terms? We're aiming for standalone tool in tools/kvm of the
>>>> Linux kernel so I don't see how we could do that.
>>>
>>> Well, copying in itself is not a big problem as long as the copies are
>>> kept in sync. It's a bit painful, but manageable. Implementing every
>>> image format twice (and implementing image formats in a reliable and
>>> performing way isn't trivial) is much more painful.
>>>
>>> If you take the approach of "getting inspired" by qemu and then writing
>>> your own code, the code will read pretty much the same, but be different
>>> enough that a diff between both trees is useless and a patch against one
>>> tree is meaningless for the other one.
>>>
>>> The block drivers are relatively isolated in qemu, so I think they
>>> wouldn't pull in too many dependencies.
>> 
>> Are you suggesting to turn QEMU's block drivers into a reasonably
>> general-purpose library?
>
> I would hesitate to turn it into an external library, because I really
> don't feel like maintaining API compatibility across versions. That's
> simply not doable with the block layer as of today. For the long term
> it's something that we may consider, but would certainly require some
> serious work.
>
> If some changes are needed to make it more reusable in the short term
> (while still copying the code over), I probably wouldn't be opposed to that.

Unless we make QEMU's block drivers usable outside QEMU (and that means
at least a static library without API guarantees), we can hardly chide
others for reimplementing them.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-04-14 10:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-13 19:26 [PATCH v2] kvm tool: add QCOW verions 1 read/write support Prasad Joshi
2011-04-13 19:48 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-14  6:18   ` [PATCH] kvm tool: Remove unused variables from the QCOW code Ingo Molnar
2011-04-14  8:02 ` [PATCH v2] kvm tool: add QCOW verions 1 read/write support Kevin Wolf
2011-04-14  8:07   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-04-14  8:12     ` Kevin Wolf
2011-04-14  8:15       ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-14  8:26         ` Kevin Wolf
2011-04-14  8:27           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-04-14  9:23             ` Prasad Joshi
2011-04-14  9:28               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-04-14  9:53               ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-14  8:25       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-04-14  8:21   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-14  8:31     ` Kevin Wolf
2011-04-14  8:32       ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-14  8:49         ` Alon Levy
2011-04-14  8:52         ` Kevin Wolf
2011-04-14  9:26           ` Markus Armbruster
2011-04-14  9:52             ` Kevin Wolf
2011-04-14 10:02               ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
2011-04-14  9:53             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-04-14 14:59           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-04-15  6:41   ` Why QCOW1? (was: [PATCH v2] kvm tool: add QCOW verions 1 read/write support) Markus Armbruster
2011-04-15  6:45     ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-15 10:14       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-04-15 11:17         ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-15 12:05           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-04-15 12:10             ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-15 12:17             ` Why QCOW1? Kevin Wolf
2011-04-15 12:12           ` Anthony Liguori

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