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From: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
To: Jing Zhang <jingzhangos@google.com>,Mostafa Saleh <smostafa@google.com>
Cc: KVM <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, KVMARM <kvmarm@lists.linux.dev>,
	Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@linux.dev>,
	Joey Gouly <joey.gouly@arm.com>,
	Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
	Zenghui Yu <yuzenghui@huawei.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	Mingwei Zhang <mizhang@google.com>,
	David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] KVM: Proposed uAPI for querying GSI and irqbypass status
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2026 09:47:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86cxvxar8w.wl-maz@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <anLz0HJ9CKuRbTPh@google.com>

On Wed, 05 Aug 2026 09:26:56 +0100,
Mostafa Saleh <smostafa@google.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jing,
> 
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2026 at 10:26:26AM -0700, Jing Zhang wrote:

[drop the LLM generated stuff]

> > While interfaces in debugfs are fantastic for manual, retroactive
> > debugging on a developer workstation, they are not Dependable for
> > fleet-wide observability. This RFC aims to provide a proactive
> > monitoring solution that aligns KVM with production operational
> > requirements across architectures (both ARM and x86).
> > 
> > Would love to hear your thoughts on this perspective.
> 
> I agree that debugfs is not suitable for that purpose.
> 
> My main concerns are:
> 1- Why is /proc/interrupts not enough, it should show whether the
> interrupts are going through the host (not bypassed) and it should
> show when the host get a doorbell if the vCPU was not resident.

This.

Also, there is a very long standing ask to represent the output of
/proc/interrupts as a structured set, retrieved through a generic
kernel interface. I.e. *not* something KVM specific. Everybody asks,
nobody does. As usual.

And if you are interested in things being "Dependable for fleet-wide
observability" (I *love* the LLM-generated jargon), there is no way
you can make sense of what the guest sees without looking at the full
picture, i.e. the full machine.

> 2- Technical feasibility on arm64. Since the host does not have
> visibility into interrupts directly injected into the guest, it
> cannot accurately maintain the proposed counters vgic_its_vlpis_hw.

And GICv5 is going to make things even less observable, as only
doorbells fire on the host. My take is that for these, a PMU-type
interface is better suited.

But in general, a KVM-specific for something that is a system-wide
problem is IMO the wrong approach. You may want to put tglx in that
loop and see what he has to say.

Thanks,

	M.

-- 
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-05  8:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-17 16:26 [RFC] KVM: Proposed uAPI for querying GSI and irqbypass status Jing Zhang
2026-07-28  9:45 ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-31 17:26   ` Jing Zhang
2026-08-05  8:26     ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-08-05  8:47       ` Marc Zyngier [this message]
2026-08-06  0:32         ` Sean Christopherson

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