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From: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
To: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Lorenzo Pieralisi <lpieralisi@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Sami Mujawar <Sami.Mujawar@arm.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, kvmarm@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 12/14] arm64/nmi: Add handling of superpriority interrupts as NMIs
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2022 19:15:01 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y5DmNVS6NTrN1Xit@sirena.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87zgbzrqhv.wl-maz@kernel.org>

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On Wed, Dec 07, 2022 at 06:57:32PM +0000, Marc Zyngier wrote:
> Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> wrote:

> > Any CPU new enough to have FEAT_NMI is architecturally required to also
> > have FEAT_CSV2 since that's mandatory since v8.5 and FEAT_NMI is a v8.8
> > feature.  FEAT_CSV2 means the hardware doesn't need the mitigation, and

> "Hypothetically", CPUs that advertise CSV2 could subsequently be found
> to actually require extra handling, and I really wouldn't take such a
> bet.

> The reasoning by which CPU designers follow the ARM feature dependency
> rules doesn't hold any water either, and hasn't for years (ARM itself
> has been backporting features into CPUs that have a much older base
> architecture). You don't have to look very far to find implementations
> that cherry-pick whatever they want. The sad reality is that nobody
> gives a damn about this rule, and ultimately pick whatever they see
> fit.

My guess would be that the Spectre stuff is generally considered
sufficiently important that it'd also get mitigated but as you say you
never know.

> And given that this is only one static branch away, that the runtime
> cost is likely to be a big fat zero for non-affected platforms, for an
> event that is vanishingly rare anyway, I'd rather we stay consistent
> in the whole interrupt path and keep the mitigation code in.

Yeah, that's certainly a valid argument and I do tend to agree that it's
better defensive programming - like I said I was trying to thread a
needle between the two anticipated review reactions.  I'll hold off for
now in case anyone else has strong opinions in the other direction
though.

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-07 19:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-12 15:16 [PATCH v2 00/14] arm64/nmi: Support for FEAT_NMI Mark Brown
2022-11-12 15:16 ` [PATCH v2 01/14] arm64/booting: Document boot requirements " Mark Brown
2022-11-12 15:16 ` [PATCH v2 02/14] arm64/sysreg: Add definition for ICC_NMIAR1_EL1 Mark Brown
2022-11-12 15:16 ` [PATCH v2 03/14] arm64/sysreg: Add definition of ISR_EL1 Mark Brown
2022-12-05 16:45   ` Marc Zyngier
2022-11-12 15:16 ` [PATCH v2 04/14] arm64/sysreg: Add definitions for immediate versions of MSR ALLINT Mark Brown
2022-12-05 16:38   ` Marc Zyngier
2022-12-05 17:11     ` Mark Brown
2022-12-07 19:18       ` Marc Zyngier
2022-12-07 19:42         ` Mark Brown
2022-11-12 15:16 ` [PATCH v2 05/14] arm64/asm: Introduce assembly macros for managing ALLINT Mark Brown
2022-12-05 17:29   ` Marc Zyngier
2022-12-05 18:24     ` Mark Brown
2022-12-07 19:14       ` Marc Zyngier
2022-11-12 15:17 ` [PATCH v2 06/14] arm64/hyp-stub: Enable access to ALLINT Mark Brown
2022-12-05 17:50   ` Marc Zyngier
2022-11-12 15:17 ` [PATCH v2 07/14] arm64/idreg: Add an override for FEAT_NMI Mark Brown
2022-11-12 15:17 ` [PATCH v2 08/14] arm64/cpufeature: Detect PE support " Mark Brown
2022-12-05 18:03   ` Marc Zyngier
2022-12-05 19:32     ` Mark Brown
2022-12-07 19:06       ` Marc Zyngier
2022-11-12 15:17 ` [PATCH v2 09/14] KVM: arm64: Hide FEAT_NMI from guests Mark Brown
2022-12-05 18:06   ` Marc Zyngier
2022-12-05 19:03     ` Mark Brown
2022-12-07 19:03       ` Marc Zyngier
2022-12-07 19:33         ` Mark Brown
2022-11-12 15:17 ` [PATCH v2 10/14] arm64/nmi: Manage masking for superpriority interrupts along with DAIF Mark Brown
2022-12-05 18:47   ` Marc Zyngier
2022-12-05 20:52     ` Mark Brown
2022-12-08 17:19   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2022-12-12 14:03     ` Mark Brown
2022-12-13  8:37       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2022-12-13 13:15         ` Mark Brown
2022-12-15 13:32           ` Marc Zyngier
2022-12-12 14:40   ` Mark Rutland
2022-12-15 13:21     ` Mark Brown
2022-11-12 15:17 ` [PATCH v2 11/14] arm64/irq: Document handling of FEAT_NMI in irqflags.h Mark Brown
2022-11-12 15:17 ` [PATCH v2 12/14] arm64/nmi: Add handling of superpriority interrupts as NMIs Mark Brown
2022-12-07 11:03   ` Marc Zyngier
2022-12-07 13:24     ` Mark Brown
2022-12-07 18:57       ` Marc Zyngier
2022-12-07 19:15         ` Mark Brown [this message]
2022-11-12 15:17 ` [PATCH v2 13/14] arm64/nmi: Add Kconfig for NMI Mark Brown
2022-11-12 15:17 ` [PATCH v2 14/14] irqchip/gic-v3: Implement FEAT_GICv3_NMI support Mark Brown
2022-12-07 15:20   ` Marc Zyngier
2022-12-02 18:42 ` [PATCH v2 00/14] arm64/nmi: Support for FEAT_NMI Marc Zyngier
2022-12-03  8:25   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2022-12-03  9:45     ` Marc Zyngier

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