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From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
Cc: Lorenzo Pieralisi <lpieralisi@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 2/2] KVM: arm64: allow the VM to select DEVICE_* and
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On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 01:35:41PM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 05, 2023 at 11:56:55AM +0200, Lorenzo Pieralisi wrote:
> > For all these reasons, relax the KVM stage 2 device
> > memory attributes from DEVICE_nGnRE to NormalNC.
> 
> The reasoning above suggests to me that this should probably just be
> Normal cacheable, as that is what actually allows the guest to control
> the attributes. So what is the rationale behind stopping at Normal-NC?

It's more like we don't have any clue on what may happen. MTE is
obviously a case where it can go wrong (we can blame the architecture
design here) but I recall years ago where a malicious guest could bring
the platform down by mapping the GIC CPU interface as cacheable.

Not sure how error containment works with cacheable memory. A cacheable
access to a device may stay in the cache a lot longer after the guest
has been scheduled out, only evicted at some random time. We may no
longer be able to associate it with the guest, especially if the guest
exited. Also not sure about claiming back the device after killing the
guest, do we need cache maintenance?

So, for now I'd only relax this if we know there's RAM(-like) on the
other side and won't trigger some potentially uncontainable errors as a
result.

-- 
Catalin