Re: [LARTC] The effects of queueing on delay...(TX Ring Buffer the

[Andy Furniss <andy.furniss@dsl.pipex.com>]

Jonathan Lynch wrote:
> Quoting Andy Furniss <andy.furniss@dsl.pipex.com>:
> 
> 
>>Jonathan Lynch wrote:
>>
>>>This was down to the tx buffer size on the network card i was using. It
>>>was an Intel 82547EI gigabit Card using the e1000 driver and operating
>>>at 100mbit. The tx buffer was set to 256 which caused this huge delay.
>>>The minimum the driver lets me reduce the tx buffer size using ethtool
>>>is 80. By reducing the tx ring buffer to 80, the delay when there is
>>>full link utilisation and a maximum queue of 10 packets was reduced from
>>>30ms to 10ms.
>>>
>>>The 3com 3c59x vortex driver uses a tx buffer of 16. I reduced the tx to
>>>16 on the e1000 driver, but the max throughput i could achieve on the
>>>interface went down.
>>>
>>>Has anyone experimented with reducing the size of the tx buffer on this
>>>card to get a good balance between delay and throughput ?
>>
>>Strange - I thought that as long as you are under rate for the link then
>>the most htb should burst per tick is the burst size specified.
>>
>>That assumes one bulk class - more will make it worse.
>>
>>Andy.
>>
> 
> 
> Just noticed your reply there, havnt been very busy lately and havnt been checked LARTC in a while.
> 
> say for example with a htb qdisc configured with a ceil of 100 Mbit (overhead 24 mpu 84 mtu 1600
> burst 12k cburst 12k quantum 1500) or a queue discipline that doesnt rate limit such as prio or red
> there was a delay of 30 ms imposed when the outgoing interface was saturated and the tx ring size
> was 256. when the tx ring size was reduced to 80 the delay was around 9ms.

Ahh I see what you mean - reducing the buffer beyond htb, but I don't 
really see why you need to, rather than reducing htb rate so you only 
have one htb burst of packets in it at a time (that assumes you only 
have two classes like in your other tests - more bulk classes would be 
worse).

> 
> The tx ring is a fifo structure. The NIC driver uses DMA to transmit packets from the tx ring. these
> are worst case delays when The tx ring is full of maximum size FTP packets with the VoIP packet at
> the end. The VoIP has to wait for all the FTP packets to be transmitted.
> 
> When the rate was reduced to 99Mbit the maximum delay imposed is about 2ms. It seems that with the
> reduced rate there is time to clear more packets from the TX ring...there are less packets in the
> ring resulting in a lower delay. But the delay increases linearly.

I agree from our previous discussion and tests that even with overheads 
added you need to back off a bit more than expected, but I assumed this 
was to do with either :

The 8/16 byte granularity of the lookup tables.
The fact that overhead was not designed into htb, but added later.
Timers maybe being a bit out.
Me not knowing the overhead of ethernet properly.

Making tx buffer smaller is just a workaround for htb being over rate 
for whatever reason.

> 
> Also a question when defining the following parameters (overhead 24 mpu 84 mtu 1600 burst 12k cburst
> 12k quantum 1500)

I suppose quantum should be 1514 - as you pointed out to me previously 
   as it's eth - maybe more if you are still testing on vlans. I don't 
think it will make any difference in this test - I see the overhead 
allows for it already (I am just stating for the list as it was down 
during our previous discussions about overheads).

mtu 1600 - It's a bit late to check now - but there is a size makes the 
table go from 8 to 16 and 1600 seems familiar - but 2048 comes to mind 
aswell :-) I would check with tc -s -d class ls and reduce it a bit if 
you see /16 after burst.

  i have them defined on all classes and on the htb qdisc itself. Is 
there a minimum
>  place where they can be specified...ie just on the htb qdisc itself, or do they have to be
> specified on all

I would think so, htb has a lookup table for each rate and ceil.

Andy.
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