New user wanting to help

New user wanting to help

[Ben Weiss]

Hi everybody,

Wondering how many other brain-damaged people are
intersted in this project :)
I've been wanting to check it out for a while, and
have finally gotten to it- I've got elks running on a
PS/2 25 (8Mhz 8086, 2 720k floppies) right now, and so
far so good! I also booted it on a Toshiba T4500
(486-25 laptop) with no problems. It's fun getting
some use out of old equipment. Especially when it runs
counter to common thinking! :)
Now tht it boots.... I'm working on where to go from
here. Problem is, not only am I new to kernel work,
but also pretty new to coding as well :(  (basically,
I learn things as the need arises) I have a few ideas,
though.

So... what can I lend a hand to? The website could use
a little work, every site aside from the sourceforge
project page and cix.co.uk listed on the main site is
inaccessible. Also, I've come across some mail
archives other than what's lited on vger, which does
not exist. Or... maybe there's a 16-bit gcc patch
someone's been cooking and needs some authentic iron
to try it out on? I've noticed some recent activity in
this area, and it seems that would be a big help- I
had an idea to replace the utils with Busybox, but
couldn't get it to compile with bcc.

-Ben


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Re: New user wanting to help

[Hans]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ben Weiss" <cis_daytona@yahoo.com>
To: <linux-8086@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 3:46 AM
Subject: New user wanting to help


> Hi everybody,
>
> Wondering how many other brain-damaged people are
> intersted in this project :)

I guess still lots of us :-)

.. snip..
>
> So... what can I lend a hand to?
> The website could use
> a little work,

Definitely, what we need is a wiki site so that everybody can contribute.

I am a bit disappointed that Rask Lambertsen's GCC port and the Dioscuri 
emulator (which runs ELKS!) are not mentioned on the website, come on guys, 
it can't be that much work to add some hyperlinks...

> every site aside from the sourceforge
> project page and cix.co.uk listed on the main site is
> inaccessible.
> Also, I've come across some mail
> archives other than what's lited on vger, which does
> not exist. Or... maybe there's a 16-bit gcc patch
> someone's been cooking and needs some authentic iron
> to try it out on?

Yes please,  Rask Lambertsen has done a great job in patching GCC for the 
8086. Compiling ELKS under GCC is not going to be easy but IMHO will be very 
beneficial for the wider embedded user community and hence will/might 
increase the popularity of ELKS.

However, having said that, any contribution is welcome. Just work on what 
you are interested in and publish the result on a webpage.

Hans
www.ht-lab.com

Re: New user wanting to help

[Sebastian Rosenkiewicz]

Hello there.

Just wanted to add a few words.

Please note that this project is useful also as an OS running on top of 8086 
emulator for mobile phones. It would be nice to have a Linux-like machine 
inside your Nokia, which will probably never be capable of running full i386 
emulation.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hans" <hans64@ht-lab.com>
To: <linux-8086@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: New user wanting to help


>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ben Weiss" <cis_daytona@yahoo.com>
> To: <linux-8086@vger.kernel.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 3:46 AM
> Subject: New user wanting to help
>
>
>> Hi everybody,
>>
>> Wondering how many other brain-damaged people are
>> intersted in this project :)
>
> I guess still lots of us :-)
>
> .. snip..
>>
>> So... what can I lend a hand to?
>> The website could use
>> a little work,
>
> Definitely, what we need is a wiki site so that everybody can contribute.
>
> I am a bit disappointed that Rask Lambertsen's GCC port and the Dioscuri 
> emulator (which runs ELKS!) are not mentioned on the website, come on 
> guys, it can't be that much work to add some hyperlinks...
>
>> every site aside from the sourceforge
>> project page and cix.co.uk listed on the main site is
>> inaccessible.
>> Also, I've come across some mail
>> archives other than what's lited on vger, which does
>> not exist. Or... maybe there's a 16-bit gcc patch
>> someone's been cooking and needs some authentic iron
>> to try it out on?
>
> Yes please,  Rask Lambertsen has done a great job in patching GCC for the 
> 8086. Compiling ELKS under GCC is not going to be easy but IMHO will be 
> very beneficial for the wider embedded user community and hence will/might 
> increase the popularity of ELKS.
>
> However, having said that, any contribution is welcome. Just work on what 
> you are interested in and publish the result on a webpage.
>
> Hans
> www.ht-lab.com
>
>
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Re: New user wanting to help

[Ben Weiss]

--- Hans <hans64@ht-lab.com> wrote:

> I am a bit disappointed that Rask Lambertsen's GCC
> port and the Dioscuri 
> emulator (which runs ELKS!) are not mentioned on the
> website, come on guys, 
> it can't be that much work to add some hyperlinks...

This seems like the easiest thing to fix first, and
makes the project "look" better, so I'd be happy to
provide some updates to the site. Not too much for
now, just keeping with static pages- fixing broken
links, adding some (ie Rasks's port), etc. Does anyone
know who needs to be contacted to update the archive
mentioned on vger.kernel.org? Is this list still even
being archived, or do we have to "sign up" for it? (If
so, gmane comes to mind...)

> Compiling ELKS under GCC is not going to be
> easy but IMHO will be very 
> beneficial for the wider embedded user community and
> hence will/might 
> increase the popularity of ELKS.

Sounds like great minds think alike :)
Not only is GCC much more popular and continuously
maintained, but apparently GCC (GAS, rather) uses AT&T
syntax, and BCC uses Intel syntax. Since Linux uses
GCC, it follows that modifying/porting to ELKS would
be easier if we also use GCC. 

-Ben


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Re: New user wanting to help

[JBRUCHON]

I'm sort of the current maintainer of the site and the project, but have no 
access to the mailing list setup at all.

I'm a fairly busy person so I don't do much without being asked to do it, 
and my web-fu sucks pretty bad.

If you want something in particular done, give me the resources and I'll get 
it done.

Ben Weiss wrote:
> --- Hans <hans64@ht-lab.com> wrote:
> 
>> I am a bit disappointed that Rask Lambertsen's GCC
>> port and the Dioscuri 
>> emulator (which runs ELKS!) are not mentioned on the
>> website, come on guys, 
>> it can't be that much work to add some hyperlinks...
> 
> This seems like the easiest thing to fix first, and
> makes the project "look" better, so I'd be happy to
> provide some updates to the site. Not too much for
> now, just keeping with static pages- fixing broken
> links, adding some (ie Rasks's port), etc. Does anyone
> know who needs to be contacted to update the archive
> mentioned on vger.kernel.org? Is this list still even
> being archived, or do we have to "sign up" for it? (If
> so, gmane comes to mind...)
> 
>> Compiling ELKS under GCC is not going to be
>> easy but IMHO will be very 
>> beneficial for the wider embedded user community and
>> hence will/might 
>> increase the popularity of ELKS.
> 
> Sounds like great minds think alike :)
> Not only is GCC much more popular and continuously
> maintained, but apparently GCC (GAS, rather) uses AT&T
> syntax, and BCC uses Intel syntax. Since Linux uses
> GCC, it follows that modifying/porting to ELKS would
> be easier if we also use GCC. 
> 
> -Ben
> 
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Re: New user wanting to help

[Hans]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JBRUCHON" <jbruchon@nc.rr.com>
To: <linux-8086@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: New user wanting to help


> I'm sort of the current maintainer of the site and the project, but have 
> no access to the mailing list setup at all.
>
> I'm a fairly busy person so I don't do much without being asked to do it, 
> and my web-fu sucks pretty bad.

Sorry Jody, I don't want to sound nasty since I have done 0% contribution 
myself but we shouldn't have to tell you to add a link. When somebody like 
Bram Lohman emails the list that he has Elks running on an emulator and that 
is it freely available to download than you as the site admin should, as a 
bare minimum, add the link without one of us telling you to do so.

Since you are very busy (which I fully understand) can I suggest you share 
the admin details with a few more people or better speak to Mario to get a 
wiki page added.

Back to work :-)

Regards,
Hans.
www.ht-lab.com


>
> If you want something in particular done, give me the resources and I'll 
> get it done.
>
> Ben Weiss wrote:
>> --- Hans <hans64@ht-lab.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am a bit disappointed that Rask Lambertsen's GCC
>>> port and the Dioscuri emulator (which runs ELKS!) are not mentioned on 
>>> the
>>> website, come on guys, it can't be that much work to add some 
>>> hyperlinks...
>>
>> This seems like the easiest thing to fix first, and
>> makes the project "look" better, so I'd be happy to
>> provide some updates to the site. Not too much for
>> now, just keeping with static pages- fixing broken
>> links, adding some (ie Rasks's port), etc. Does anyone
>> know who needs to be contacted to update the archive
>> mentioned on vger.kernel.org? Is this list still even
>> being archived, or do we have to "sign up" for it? (If
>> so, gmane comes to mind...)
>>
>>> Compiling ELKS under GCC is not going to be
>>> easy but IMHO will be very beneficial for the wider embedded user 
>>> community and
>>> hence will/might increase the popularity of ELKS.
>>
>> Sounds like great minds think alike :)
>> Not only is GCC much more popular and continuously
>> maintained, but apparently GCC (GAS, rather) uses AT&T
>> syntax, and BCC uses Intel syntax. Since Linux uses
>> GCC, it follows that modifying/porting to ELKS would
>> be easier if we also use GCC. -Ben
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: New user wanting to help

[JBRUCHON]

Or, as "THE site admin," I could just be human like the other 20 or so "site 
admins" and have other things to worry about beyond following links and 
editing HTML when I have bills to pay.  No one here has any right to tell me 
what I "should" do when doing so provides me precisely USD$0.00 in 
compensation.  I can convert that amount to Euros or CDN$ or whatever you 
happen to use if you like, but I'm pretty sure that the conversion is quite 
easily done by anyone interested in doing such.

Whatever I happen to do comes from the goodness of my own heart and my 
desire to further such a project.  When the priority of ELKS is trumped by 
the priority of Real Life(tm), I'll do "what I should do."  Until then, you 
can either have patience and wait for me to get free time to do it when life 
permits such, you can "raise the priority of ELKS" by channeling 
compensation my way, or you can request addition to the developer list like 
I did.  I'm not a project admin, so I don't have privileges to add new 
admins or developers, so don't ask.

I'm sure, since they seem to still get this mailing list, that Alan Cox and 
others can back up the fact that other aspects of life can easily take 
precedence over ELKS.  That, as I understand it, is what happened to them.

In the meantime, please don't make demands of a free volunteer, even if you 
try to cushion it with the "I don't mean to sound like this, but..." 
preface.  You may not want to sound that way, but guess what?  You do.  It's 
disrespectful and rude.  Solutions provided above.



**** tl;dr: I'll do it when time permits.


Jody


Hans wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JBRUCHON" <jbruchon@nc.rr.com>
> To: <linux-8086@vger.kernel.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 10:11 PM
> Subject: Re: New user wanting to help
> 
> 
>> I'm sort of the current maintainer of the site and the project, but 
>> have no access to the mailing list setup at all.
>>
>> I'm a fairly busy person so I don't do much without being asked to do 
>> it, and my web-fu sucks pretty bad.
> 
> Sorry Jody, I don't want to sound nasty since I have done 0% 
> contribution myself but we shouldn't have to tell you to add a link. 
> When somebody like Bram Lohman emails the list that he has Elks running 
> on an emulator and that is it freely available to download than you as 
> the site admin should, as a bare minimum, add the link without one of us 
> telling you to do so.
> 
> Since you are very busy (which I fully understand) can I suggest you 
> share the admin details with a few more people or better speak to Mario 
> to get a wiki page added.
> 
> Back to work :-)
> 
> Regards,
> Hans.
> www.ht-lab.com
> 
> 
>>
>> If you want something in particular done, give me the resources and 
>> I'll get it done.
>>
>> Ben Weiss wrote:
>>> --- Hans <hans64@ht-lab.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am a bit disappointed that Rask Lambertsen's GCC
>>>> port and the Dioscuri emulator (which runs ELKS!) are not mentioned 
>>>> on the
>>>> website, come on guys, it can't be that much work to add some 
>>>> hyperlinks...
>>>
>>> This seems like the easiest thing to fix first, and
>>> makes the project "look" better, so I'd be happy to
>>> provide some updates to the site. Not too much for
>>> now, just keeping with static pages- fixing broken
>>> links, adding some (ie Rasks's port), etc. Does anyone
>>> know who needs to be contacted to update the archive
>>> mentioned on vger.kernel.org? Is this list still even
>>> being archived, or do we have to "sign up" for it? (If
>>> so, gmane comes to mind...)
>>>
>>>> Compiling ELKS under GCC is not going to be
>>>> easy but IMHO will be very beneficial for the wider embedded user 
>>>> community and
>>>> hence will/might increase the popularity of ELKS.
>>>
>>> Sounds like great minds think alike :)
>>> Not only is GCC much more popular and continuously
>>> maintained, but apparently GCC (GAS, rather) uses AT&T
>>> syntax, and BCC uses Intel syntax. Since Linux uses
>>> GCC, it follows that modifying/porting to ELKS would
>>> be easier if we also use GCC. -Ben
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________________________________ 
>>>
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Re: New user wanting to help

[Mario Frasca]

On 2007-1119 09:25:48, JBRUCHON wrote:
> I'm not a project admin, so I don't have privileges to add new 
> admins or developers, so don't ask.

from http://sourceforge.net/projects/elks:
project admins: alancox, alriddoch, harkal, megamanidx, miguelb, pnasrat.

maybe we should simply ask one of them, if anyone has the time to give
to anyone who volunteers the privileges necessary for setting up a
sourceforge wiki...

writing into it will not need special privileges, probably.

if really none of the current administrators is active any more, I know
there is a standard procedure within sourceforge for taking over an
orphaned project...  if administration amounts to handle this as a game,
just coordinating efforts and you don't expect from your administrator to
have deep technical knowledge and to be here 24/7, I might give it a try.

cheers,
Mario

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Re: New user wanting to help

[JBRUCHON]

When did I get full admin status?!

Oh well, that makes things different.  I was a developer, or so I thought; I 
suppose now I suddenly have power.  That wasn't there before.  I guess 
someone promoted me silently.

If you want to do something to the website, I could pull a tarball of the 
HTML for you, at least.

Mario Frasca wrote:
> On 2007-1119 09:25:48, JBRUCHON wrote:
>> I'm not a project admin, so I don't have privileges to add new 
>> admins or developers, so don't ask.
> 
> from http://sourceforge.net/projects/elks:
> project admins: alancox, alriddoch, harkal, megamanidx, miguelb, pnasrat.
> 
> maybe we should simply ask one of them, if anyone has the time to give
> to anyone who volunteers the privileges necessary for setting up a
> sourceforge wiki...
> 
> writing into it will not need special privileges, probably.
> 
> if really none of the current administrators is active any more, I know
> there is a standard procedure within sourceforge for taking over an
> orphaned project...  if administration amounts to handle this as a game,
> just coordinating efforts and you don't expect from your administrator to
> have deep technical knowledge and to be here 24/7, I might give it a try.
> 
> cheers,
> Mario
> 

Re: New user wanting to help

[Mario Frasca]

On 2007-1119 09:56:03, JBRUCHON wrote:
> If you want to do something to the website, I could pull a
> tarball of the HTML for you, at least.

I'll look into it this evening or tomorrow...  I think I can access the
html sources from my own account...  enabling wiki is a different matter.
for that, you need to be project administrator...

-- 
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Re: New user wanting to help

[Mario Frasca]

On 2007-1119 16:04:08, Mario Frasca wrote:
> I'll look into it this evening or tomorrow...  I think I can
> access the html sources from my own account...  enabling wiki
> is a different matter.  for that, you need to be project
> administrator...

something everyone interested in this project could do for a start,
is to get an account on sourceforge...

Jody, if you find some time, could you add me (mfrasca) as developer
for elks and as organizer for the wiki space?  (or as developer and then
give me admins privileges, if that's easier...)

Mario

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Re: New user wanting to help

[JBRUCHON]

FYI, there is now an ELKS Wiki, at http://elks.wiki.sourceforge.net/ and 
Mario has some degree of privileges to edit that Wiki.  If anyone else wants 
to have Wiki editing privileges, let me know.

Jody

Re: New user wanting to help

[Hans]

Jody,

You behave a bit like a little kid stamping its feet, using phrases like 
"provides me precisely USD$0.00 in compensation" and "have other things to 
worry about ". This is not the attitude of a GNU project site maintainer 
which you volunteered for!

If you don't have the time to maintain the website, i.e. as a minimum keep 
the "latest news" page up2date (which shouldn't take you more than 10 
minutes) than ask somebody else to do it!

Hans
www.ht-lab.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JBRUCHON" <jbruchon@nc.rr.com>
To: <linux-8086@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: New user wanting to help


> Or, as "THE site admin," I could just be human like the other 20 or so 
> "site admins" and have other things to worry about beyond following links 
> and editing HTML when I have bills to pay.  No one here has any right to 
> tell me what I "should" do when doing so provides me precisely USD$0.00 in 
> compensation.  I can convert that amount to Euros or CDN$ or whatever you 
> happen to use if you like, but I'm pretty sure that the conversion is 
> quite easily done by anyone interested in doing such.
>
> Whatever I happen to do comes from the goodness of my own heart and my 
> desire to further such a project.  When the priority of ELKS is trumped by 
> the priority of Real Life(tm), I'll do "what I should do."  Until then, 
> you can either have patience and wait for me to get free time to do it 
> when life permits such, you can "raise the priority of ELKS" by channeling 
> compensation my way, or you can request addition to the developer list 
> like I did.  I'm not a project admin, so I don't have privileges to add 
> new admins or developers, so don't ask.
>
> I'm sure, since they seem to still get this mailing list, that Alan Cox 
> and others can back up the fact that other aspects of life can easily take 
> precedence over ELKS.  That, as I understand it, is what happened to them.
>
> In the meantime, please don't make demands of a free volunteer, even if 
> you try to cushion it with the "I don't mean to sound like this, but..." 
> preface.  You may not want to sound that way, but guess what?  You do. 
> It's disrespectful and rude.  Solutions provided above.
>
>
>
> **** tl;dr: I'll do it when time permits.
>
>
> Jody
>
>
> Hans wrote:
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JBRUCHON" <jbruchon@nc.rr.com>
>> To: <linux-8086@vger.kernel.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 10:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: New user wanting to help
>>
>>
>>> I'm sort of the current maintainer of the site and the project, but have 
>>> no access to the mailing list setup at all.
>>>
>>> I'm a fairly busy person so I don't do much without being asked to do 
>>> it, and my web-fu sucks pretty bad.
>>
>> Sorry Jody, I don't want to sound nasty since I have done 0% contribution 
>> myself but we shouldn't have to tell you to add a link. When somebody 
>> like Bram Lohman emails the list that he has Elks running on an emulator 
>> and that is it freely available to download than you as the site admin 
>> should, as a bare minimum, add the link without one of us telling you to 
>> do so.
>>
>> Since you are very busy (which I fully understand) can I suggest you 
>> share the admin details with a few more people or better speak to Mario 
>> to get a wiki page added.
>>
>> Back to work :-)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Hans.
>> www.ht-lab.com
>>
>>
>>>
>>> If you want something in particular done, give me the resources and I'll 
>>> get it done.
>>>
>>> Ben Weiss wrote:
>>>> --- Hans <hans64@ht-lab.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am a bit disappointed that Rask Lambertsen's GCC
>>>>> port and the Dioscuri emulator (which runs ELKS!) are not mentioned on 
>>>>> the
>>>>> website, come on guys, it can't be that much work to add some 
>>>>> hyperlinks...
>>>>
>>>> This seems like the easiest thing to fix first, and
>>>> makes the project "look" better, so I'd be happy to
>>>> provide some updates to the site. Not too much for
>>>> now, just keeping with static pages- fixing broken
>>>> links, adding some (ie Rasks's port), etc. Does anyone
>>>> know who needs to be contacted to update the archive
>>>> mentioned on vger.kernel.org? Is this list still even
>>>> being archived, or do we have to "sign up" for it? (If
>>>> so, gmane comes to mind...)
>>>>
>>>>> Compiling ELKS under GCC is not going to be
>>>>> easy but IMHO will be very beneficial for the wider embedded user 
>>>>> community and
>>>>> hence will/might increase the popularity of ELKS.
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like great minds think alike :)
>>>> Not only is GCC much more popular and continuously
>>>> maintained, but apparently GCC (GAS, rather) uses AT&T
>>>> syntax, and BCC uses Intel syntax. Since Linux uses
>>>> GCC, it follows that modifying/porting to ELKS would
>>>> be easier if we also use GCC. -Ben
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ____________________________________________________________________________________
>>>> Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your 
>>>> homepage.
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Re: New user wanting to help

[Mario Frasca]

On 2007-1119 15:34:57, Hans wrote:
> Jody,
>
> [...]

Hans, I think we have solved the problem, wouldn't you agree?

and hey, the signature is randomly chosen!!!

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Re: New user wanting to help

[Hans]

Hi Mario,

yes, just seen it,

Thanks for setting it up (and thanks to Jody as well :-)

Regards,
Hans.
www.ht-lab.com

 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mario Frasca" <mfrasca@zonnet.nl>
To: "Hans" <hans64@ht-lab.com>
Cc: <linux-8086@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: New user wanting to help


> On 2007-1119 15:34:57, Hans wrote:
>> Jody,
>>
>> [...]
> 
> Hans, I think we have solved the problem, wouldn't you agree?
> 
> and hey, the signature is randomly chosen!!!
> 
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Re: New user wanting to help

[JBRUCHON]

Sorry Hans, but my life isn't distributed under the terms of GNU General 
Public License and you don't have admin access to said life to make changes.

If you don't like how I responded to your commands, that's too bad. 
Name-calling (as in "little kid stamping his feet") and complaining 
accomplishes equally as much: nothing.  My attitude is irrelevant, and you 
could learn a lesson or two in tact from Mario, who is probably at this very 
moment editing the Wiki I just set up and gave him admin access to.

FYI: Me telling you ELKS isn't a priority in my life doesn't mean I didn't 
listen to your concerns.  My issue is entirely based on your dictation of 
what YOU THINK I should do.  I'm an admin, you're not an admin.  I 
understand my role, and I am willing to take a little time if enough people 
poke at me to do so, but I feel greatly disrespected when such requests are 
formed more like demands, for many of the reasons previously specified.

I refuse to entertain these precursors to "free software infighting" that 
lead to no work getting done and forks being performed.  Further replies of 
this stripe will be ignored.

If you have time to complain about my lack thereof, you have time to submit 
patches, request Wiki edit access, create documentation, or at the very 
least discuss the actual project.  I'll gladly facilitate and cheer on your 
participation, as long as you are civil in your requests of me.  This 
applies to everyone equally.

Note that the tl;dr section didn't say "I'll tell you where you can stick 
it."  It said "putting it on my to-do list."

If you'll send me your user name on SourceForge, I'll gladly add you to the 
Wiki.  I'd also like to request that further communication make no 
references to myself as a person and STRICTLY DEAL WITH THE ELKS PROJECT 
ITSELF.  If the message has any personal communications at all, it belongs 
in private, not here on the ELKS mailing list.

Thanks!
Jody

Hans wrote:
> Jody,
> 
> You behave a bit like a little kid stamping its feet, using phrases like 
> "provides me precisely USD$0.00 in compensation" and "have other things 
> to worry about ". This is not the attitude of a GNU project site 
> maintainer which you volunteered for!
> 
> If you don't have the time to maintain the website, i.e. as a minimum 
> keep the "latest news" page up2date (which shouldn't take you more than 
> 10 minutes) than ask somebody else to do it!
> 
> Hans
> www.ht-lab.com
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JBRUCHON" <jbruchon@nc.rr.com>
> To: <linux-8086@vger.kernel.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:25 PM
> Subject: Re: New user wanting to help
> 
> 
>> Or, as "THE site admin," I could just be human like the other 20 or so 
>> "site admins" and have other things to worry about beyond following 
>> links and editing HTML when I have bills to pay.  No one here has any 
>> right to tell me what I "should" do when doing so provides me 
>> precisely USD$0.00 in compensation.  I can convert that amount to 
>> Euros or CDN$ or whatever you happen to use if you like, but I'm 
>> pretty sure that the conversion is quite easily done by anyone 
>> interested in doing such.
>>
>> Whatever I happen to do comes from the goodness of my own heart and my 
>> desire to further such a project.  When the priority of ELKS is 
>> trumped by the priority of Real Life(tm), I'll do "what I should do."  
>> Until then, you can either have patience and wait for me to get free 
>> time to do it when life permits such, you can "raise the priority of 
>> ELKS" by channeling compensation my way, or you can request addition 
>> to the developer list like I did.  I'm not a project admin, so I don't 
>> have privileges to add new admins or developers, so don't ask.
>>
>> I'm sure, since they seem to still get this mailing list, that Alan 
>> Cox and others can back up the fact that other aspects of life can 
>> easily take precedence over ELKS.  That, as I understand it, is what 
>> happened to them.
>>
>> In the meantime, please don't make demands of a free volunteer, even 
>> if you try to cushion it with the "I don't mean to sound like this, 
>> but..." preface.  You may not want to sound that way, but guess what?  
>> You do. It's disrespectful and rude.  Solutions provided above.
>>
>>
>>
>> **** tl;dr: I'll do it when time permits.
>>
>>
>> Jody
>>
>>
>> Hans wrote:
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JBRUCHON" <jbruchon@nc.rr.com>
>>> To: <linux-8086@vger.kernel.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 10:11 PM
>>> Subject: Re: New user wanting to help
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm sort of the current maintainer of the site and the project, but 
>>>> have no access to the mailing list setup at all.
>>>>
>>>> I'm a fairly busy person so I don't do much without being asked to 
>>>> do it, and my web-fu sucks pretty bad.
>>>
>>> Sorry Jody, I don't want to sound nasty since I have done 0% 
>>> contribution myself but we shouldn't have to tell you to add a link. 
>>> When somebody like Bram Lohman emails the list that he has Elks 
>>> running on an emulator and that is it freely available to download 
>>> than you as the site admin should, as a bare minimum, add the link 
>>> without one of us telling you to do so.
>>>
>>> Since you are very busy (which I fully understand) can I suggest you 
>>> share the admin details with a few more people or better speak to 
>>> Mario to get a wiki page added.
>>>
>>> Back to work :-)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Hans.
>>> www.ht-lab.com
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you want something in particular done, give me the resources and 
>>>> I'll get it done.
>>>>
>>>> Ben Weiss wrote:
>>>>> --- Hans <hans64@ht-lab.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am a bit disappointed that Rask Lambertsen's GCC
>>>>>> port and the Dioscuri emulator (which runs ELKS!) are not 
>>>>>> mentioned on the
>>>>>> website, come on guys, it can't be that much work to add some 
>>>>>> hyperlinks...
>>>>>
>>>>> This seems like the easiest thing to fix first, and
>>>>> makes the project "look" better, so I'd be happy to
>>>>> provide some updates to the site. Not too much for
>>>>> now, just keeping with static pages- fixing broken
>>>>> links, adding some (ie Rasks's port), etc. Does anyone
>>>>> know who needs to be contacted to update the archive
>>>>> mentioned on vger.kernel.org? Is this list still even
>>>>> being archived, or do we have to "sign up" for it? (If
>>>>> so, gmane comes to mind...)
>>>>>
>>>>>> Compiling ELKS under GCC is not going to be
>>>>>> easy but IMHO will be very beneficial for the wider embedded user 
>>>>>> community and
>>>>>> hence will/might increase the popularity of ELKS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like great minds think alike :)
>>>>> Not only is GCC much more popular and continuously
>>>>> maintained, but apparently GCC (GAS, rather) uses AT&T
>>>>> syntax, and BCC uses Intel syntax. Since Linux uses
>>>>> GCC, it follows that modifying/porting to ELKS would
>>>>> be easier if we also use GCC. -Ben
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: New user wanting to help

[Mario Frasca]

On 2007-1118 14:01:49, Ben Weiss wrote:
> --- Hans <hans64@ht-lab.com> wrote:
>> emulator (which runs ELKS!) are not mentioned on the
>> website, come on guys, 
>> it can't be that much work to add some hyperlinks...
> 
> This seems like the easiest thing to fix first, and
> makes the project "look" better, so I'd be happy to
> provide some updates to the site.  [...]

but elks is hosted on sourceforge....  (not even so) recently sourceforge
added support for a wiki on their servers.  it is some work to enable
it, but once that is done, the documentation could be updated by more
volunteers (registered users).  I have an account on sourceforge (mfrasca)
and have some experience with setting up sf services on my two projects
(ibo and pwmdockapps), so I'm available for this part of the task.

some years ago I also did some work for elks (init, ls), but I've archived
my old Amstrad PPC640 and I've not booted elks during the last two or
three years...

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