Re: New user wanting to help

JBRUCHON
2007-11-19T15:53:15Z

Sorry Hans, but my life isn't distributed under the terms of GNU General
Public License and you don't have admin access to said life to make changes.

If you don't like how I responded to your commands, that's too bad.
Name-calling (as in "little kid stamping his feet") and complaining
accomplishes equally as much: nothing. My attitude is irrelevant, and you
could learn a lesson or two in tact from Mario, who is probably at this very
moment editing the Wiki I just set up and gave him admin access to.

FYI: Me telling you ELKS isn't a priority in my life doesn't mean I didn't
listen to your concerns. My issue is entirely based on your dictation of
what YOU THINK I should do. I'm an admin, you're not an admin. I
understand my role, and I am willing to take a little time if enough people
poke at me to do so, but I feel greatly disrespected when such requests are
formed more like demands, for many of the reasons previously specified.

I refuse to entertain these precursors to "free software infighting" that
lead to no work getting done and forks being performed. Further replies of
this stripe will be ignored.

If you have time to complain about my lack thereof, you have time to submit
patches, request Wiki edit access, create documentation, or at the very
least discuss the actual project. I'll gladly facilitate and cheer on your
participation, as long as you are civil in your requests of me. This
applies to everyone equally.

Note that the tl;dr section didn't say "I'll tell you where you can stick
it." It said "putting it on my to-do list."

If you'll send me your user name on SourceForge, I'll gladly add you to the
Wiki. I'd also like to request that further communication make no
references to myself as a person and STRICTLY DEAL WITH THE ELKS PROJECT
ITSELF. If the message has any personal communications at all, it belongs
in private, not here on the ELKS mailing list.

Thanks!
Jody

Hans wrote:
> Jody,
>
> You behave a bit like a little kid stamping its feet, using phrases like
> "provides me precisely USD$0.00 in compensation" and "have other things
> to worry about ". This is not the attitude of a GNU project site
> maintainer which you volunteered for!
>
> If you don't have the time to maintain the website, i.e. as a minimum
> keep the "latest news" page up2date (which shouldn't take you more than
> 10 minutes) than ask somebody else to do it!
>
> Hans
> www.ht-lab.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JBRUCHON" <jbruchon@nc.rr.com>
> To: <linux-8086@vger.kernel.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:25 PM
> Subject: Re: New user wanting to help
>
>
>> Or, as "THE site admin," I could just be human like the other 20 or so
>> "site admins" and have other things to worry about beyond following
>> links and editing HTML when I have bills to pay. No one here has any
>> right to tell me what I "should" do when doing so provides me
>> precisely USD$0.00 in compensation. I can convert that amount to
>> Euros or CDN$ or whatever you happen to use if you like, but I'm
>> pretty sure that the conversion is quite easily done by anyone
>> interested in doing such.
>>
>> Whatever I happen to do comes from the goodness of my own heart and my
>> desire to further such a project. When the priority of ELKS is
>> trumped by the priority of Real Life(tm), I'll do "what I should do."
>> Until then, you can either have patience and wait for me to get free
>> time to do it when life permits such, you can "raise the priority of
>> ELKS" by channeling compensation my way, or you can request addition
>> to the developer list like I did. I'm not a project admin, so I don't
>> have privileges to add new admins or developers, so don't ask.
>>
>> I'm sure, since they seem to still get this mailing list, that Alan
>> Cox and others can back up the fact that other aspects of life can
>> easily take precedence over ELKS. That, as I understand it, is what
>> happened to them.
>>
>> In the meantime, please don't make demands of a free volunteer, even
>> if you try to cushion it with the "I don't mean to sound like this,
>> but..." preface. You may not want to sound that way, but guess what?
>> You do. It's disrespectful and rude. Solutions provided above.
>>
>>
>>
>> **** tl;dr: I'll do it when time permits.
>>
>>
>> Jody
>>
>>
>> Hans wrote:
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JBRUCHON" <jbruchon@nc.rr.com>
>>> To: <linux-8086@vger.kernel.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 10:11 PM
>>> Subject: Re: New user wanting to help
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm sort of the current maintainer of the site and the project, but
>>>> have no access to the mailing list setup at all.
>>>>
>>>> I'm a fairly busy person so I don't do much without being asked to
>>>> do it, and my web-fu sucks pretty bad.
>>>
>>> Sorry Jody, I don't want to sound nasty since I have done 0%
>>> contribution myself but we shouldn't have to tell you to add a link.
>>> When somebody like Bram Lohman emails the list that he has Elks
>>> running on an emulator and that is it freely available to download
>>> than you as the site admin should, as a bare minimum, add the link
>>> without one of us telling you to do so.
>>>
>>> Since you are very busy (which I fully understand) can I suggest you
>>> share the admin details with a few more people or better speak to
>>> Mario to get a wiki page added.
>>>
>>> Back to work :-)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Hans.
>>> www.ht-lab.com
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you want something in particular done, give me the resources and
>>>> I'll get it done.
>>>>
>>>> Ben Weiss wrote:
>>>>> --- Hans <hans64@ht-lab.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am a bit disappointed that Rask Lambertsen's GCC
>>>>>> port and the Dioscuri emulator (which runs ELKS!) are not
>>>>>> mentioned on the
>>>>>> website, come on guys, it can't be that much work to add some
>>>>>> hyperlinks...
>>>>>
>>>>> This seems like the easiest thing to fix first, and
>>>>> makes the project "look" better, so I'd be happy to
>>>>> provide some updates to the site. Not too much for
>>>>> now, just keeping with static pages- fixing broken
>>>>> links, adding some (ie Rasks's port), etc. Does anyone
>>>>> know who needs to be contacted to update the archive
>>>>> mentioned on vger.kernel.org? Is this list still even
>>>>> being archived, or do we have to "sign up" for it? (If
>>>>> so, gmane comes to mind...)
>>>>>
>>>>>> Compiling ELKS under GCC is not going to be
>>>>>> easy but IMHO will be very beneficial for the wider embedded user
>>>>>> community and
>>>>>> hence will/might increase the popularity of ELKS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like great minds think alike :)
>>>>> Not only is GCC much more popular and continuously
>>>>> maintained, but apparently GCC (GAS, rather) uses AT&T
>>>>> syntax, and BCC uses Intel syntax. Since Linux uses
>>>>> GCC, it follows that modifying/porting to ELKS would
>>>>> be easier if we also use GCC. -Ben
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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