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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh-XVmvHMARGAS8U2dJNN8I7kB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
To: Jon Smirl <jonsmirl-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Jesse Barnes <jbarnes-UzQTBcouhwxWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Pavel Machek <pavel-+ZI9xUNit7I@public.gmane.org>,
	Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
	<c-d.hailfinger.devel.2005-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>,
	ncunningham-jjFNsPSvq+iXDw4h08c5KA@public.gmane.org,
	ACPI List
	<acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg59-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: Re: Legacy IO spaces (was Re: [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume)
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 09:42:32 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1107643352.30270.26.camel@gaston> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9e47339105020416486cf19738-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>


> If they all point to the same space, I can't tell whether I have three
> legacy spaces or one. I need to know how many legacy spaces there are
> in order to know how many VGA cards can simultaneously be enabled.

You don't need to care about this, at least in userland. All you need
is proper primitives for locking/unlocking access to a given device.
Wether you have another one to arbitrate with on the same PCI bus or not
is almost irrelevant. That is, it is the job of the kernel driver that
ultimately will do this arbitration (we really need that), and we can
prefectly well survive a long time with a very simple implementation
taht always disable all other VGA devies in the system, not caring about
"simultaneous" access. That implementation can be then improved on
later.

My point is what we really need to define is the in-kernel and userland
API to do this basic VGA access arbitration in the first place. I though
you did something like that a while ago Jon, didn't you ?

I think it could be as simple as an additional sysfs entry
"legacy_enabled" added to all "VGA" devices in the system at the PCI
layer level. Toggling it triggers the "untoggling" of all others,
including VGA forwarding on bridges, and enables the path to that
device. For in-kernel users, a pci_* API would work.

The problem I see though is that it should all be synchronous &
spinlocked since the vgacon could want to grab at interrupt time (unless
it's locked by userland, in which case, vgacon should cache & trigger an
update later).

Ben.




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  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-02-05 22:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-22 13:42 Samsung P35, S3, black screen (radeon) Nikolaus Filus
     [not found] ` <20050122134205.GA9354-u75qzGzWA6cb1SvskN2V4Q@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-03  1:46   ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]     ` <4201825B.2090703-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-03  1:54       ` Matthew Garrett
2005-02-03  5:38       ` Stefan Schweizer
     [not found]         ` <e796392205020221387d4d8562-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-03 11:56           ` Matthew Garrett
2005-02-03 12:23           ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]             ` <420217DB.709-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-03 22:45               ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]                 ` <4202A972.1070003-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-03 22:54                   ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                     ` <20050203225410.GB1110-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-03 23:43                       ` Nigel Cunningham
     [not found]                         ` <1107474198.5727.9.camel-r49W/1Cwd2ff0s6lnCXPXw0QcLn3kwYh@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04  2:35                           ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: Re: Samsung P35, S3, black screen (radeon)) Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]                             ` <4202DF7B.2000506-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04  2:51                               ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: Re: [ACPI] " Nigel Cunningham
     [not found]                                 ` <1107485504.5727.35.camel-r49W/1Cwd2ff0s6lnCXPXw0QcLn3kwYh@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04  7:18                                   ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: " Jon Smirl
     [not found]                                     ` <9e4733910502032318460f2c0c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04  7:44                                       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                         ` <20050204074454.GB1086-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04 17:38                                           ` Jon Smirl
     [not found]                                             ` <9e473391050204093837bc50d3-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-05  0:52                                               ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]                                                 ` <420418C7.5010309-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-05  1:08                                                   ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-05  9:35                                               ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: Re: Samsung P35, S3, black screen (radeon)) Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                                 ` <20050205093550.GC1158-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-05 11:35                                                   ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume Ondrej Zary
2005-02-06 16:02                                                   ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: Re: [ACPI] Samsung P35, S3, black screen (radeon)) Alan Cox
2005-02-07  2:11                                                     ` Adam Sulmicki
     [not found]                                                       ` <Pine.BSF.4.62.0502062107000.26868-l0fCXZmbWQJ/Vb4cDf9RU/Z8FUJU4vz8@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-07 14:27                                                         ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume Paulo Marques
     [not found]                                                           ` <42077AC4.5030103-TSnNRl9vlf1Wk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-07 14:36                                                             ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]                                                               ` <42077CFD.7030607-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-07 15:39                                                                 ` Paulo Marques
2005-02-07 16:01                                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-07 16:20                                                                   ` Li-Ta Lo
     [not found]                                                                     ` <1107793204.2930.18.camel-fiEEBCSFsUl2jBC2uHMcnu1ftBKYq+Ku@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-11  1:47                                                                       ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]                                                                         ` <420C68B3.4080509@scitechsoft.com>
     [not found]                                                                           ` <420CA2D2.6050003@gmx.net>
     [not found]                                                                             ` <420D08F2.3060505@scitechsoft.com>
     [not found]                                                                               ` <420D5481.1060402@gmx.net>
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <420D7B1B.3030503@scitechsoft.com>
     [not found]                                                                                   ` <421715EB.3020207@gmx.net>
     [not found]                                                                                     ` <42180D40.1020409@scitechsoft.com>
     [not found]                                                                                       ` <425907FC.6010504@gmx.net>
     [not found]                                                                                         ` <425907FC.6010504-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2005-05-10  8:36                                                                                           ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]                                                                                             ` <42807289.8090003-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2005-05-10 16:33                                                                                               ` Kendall Bennett
     [not found]                                                                                                 ` <4280E262.9020207-uto6oM0aG36m1FQbPH9wZw@public.gmane.org>
2005-05-10 19:36                                                                                                   ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2005-02-07 18:04                                                               ` [RFC] " Adam Sulmicki
2005-02-07 16:39                                                             ` Li-Ta Lo
2005-02-07 13:24                                                     ` [ACPI] Re: [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: Re: [ACPI] Samsung P35, S3, black screen (radeon)) Matthew Garrett
2005-02-07 14:09                                                       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                                         ` <20050207140937.GA8040-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-07 14:25                                                           ` Matthew Garrett
     [not found]                                                     ` <1107695583.14847.167.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-10 19:13                                                       ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: " Bill Davidsen
     [not found]                                                         ` <420BB267.8060108-sQDSfeB7uhw@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-10 19:25                                                           ` Ville Syrjälä
     [not found]                                                             ` <20050210192554.GA15726-ORSVBvAovxo@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-10 20:08                                                               ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: Re: [ACPI] " Matthew Garrett
2005-02-10 20:17                                                                 ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: " Jon Smirl
2005-02-10 20:29                                                                   ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: Re: [ACPI] " Matthew Garrett
2005-02-10 20:34                                                                     ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: " Jon Smirl
     [not found]                                                                       ` <9e47339105021012341c94c441-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-10 20:46                                                                         ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume Kendall Bennett
     [not found]                                                                           ` <420BC814.4050102-uto6oM0aG36m1FQbPH9wZw@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-10 21:06                                                                             ` Matthew Garrett
2005-02-10 21:20                                                                               ` Kendall Bennett
2005-02-10 21:28                                                                               ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-10 22:53                                                                                 ` Matthew Garrett
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <9e47339105021013285e390e2a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-11  1:41                                                                                   ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]                                                                   ` <9e473391050210121756874a84-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-10 20:32                                                                     ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: Re: Samsung P35, S3, black screen (radeon)) Ville Syrjälä
2005-02-10 19:31                                                           ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-07 19:27                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                     ` <m1lla0187m.fsf-T1Yj925okcoyDheHMi7gv2pdwda3JcWeAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-07 20:59                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-04  5:03                               ` Jon Smirl
     [not found]                                 ` <9e47339105020321031ccaabb-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04  7:49                                   ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-04 12:17                                   ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]                                     ` <420367CF.7060206-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04 13:51                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2005-02-04 16:30                                       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                         ` <20050204163019.GC1290-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04 17:31                                           ` Jon Smirl
     [not found]                                             ` <9e4733910502040931955f5a6-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04 18:10                                               ` Jesse Barnes
     [not found]                                                 ` <200502041010.13220.jbarnes-UzQTBcouhwxWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04 20:29                                                   ` Jon Smirl
     [not found]                                                     ` <9e473391050204122942da8aa7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04 22:13                                                       ` James Simmons
2005-02-04 21:56                                                   ` James Simmons
2005-02-04 22:59                                                   ` Legacy IO spaces (was Re: [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume) Jon Smirl
     [not found]                                                     ` <9e4733910502041459500ae8d3-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04 23:34                                                       ` Jesse Barnes
     [not found]                                                         ` <200502041534.03004.jbarnes-UzQTBcouhwxWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-05  0:48                                                           ` Jon Smirl
     [not found]                                                             ` <9e47339105020416486cf19738-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-05 22:42                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2005-02-06  0:17                                                                 ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-06  0:07                                                           ` Jon Smirl
     [not found]                                                             ` <9e47339105020516072b33a9c6-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-06  0:19                                                               ` Jesse Barnes
2005-02-05  2:04                                               ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume Matthew Garrett
2005-02-05  2:09                                                 ` Jon Smirl
     [not found]                                                   ` <9e4733910502041809738017a7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-05  2:17                                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2005-02-05  2:30                                                       ` Jon Smirl
     [not found]                                                         ` <9e47339105020418306a4c2c93-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-05  8:15                                                           ` Matthew Garrett
2005-02-05 11:53                                                             ` Ondrej Zary
     [not found]                                                               ` <4204B3C1.80706-ZCIryABCsrmttCpgsWEBFmD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-05 12:28                                                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2005-02-05 15:47                                                                 ` Jon Smirl
     [not found]                                                                   ` <9e473391050205074769e4f10-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-05 16:48                                                                     ` Stefan Dösinger
2005-02-05 17:38                                                                       ` [ACPI] " Jon Smirl
     [not found]                                                                         ` <9e47339105020509382adbbf39-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-06 11:05                                                                           ` Stefan Dösinger
2005-02-07 10:20                                                                           ` Helge Hafting
     [not found]                                                                             ` <420740F1.5050609-CND4fxrytsY@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-07 14:22                                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-05 15:55                                                             ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-05  9:37                                               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                                 ` <20050205093740.GD1158-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-05  9:49                                                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-02-05 15:49                                                   ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-04 22:09                                           ` James Simmons
     [not found]                                             ` <Pine.LNX.4.56.0502042206090.26459-nGpKsS7K33UUkNsaar8edxWb9i9o6OzJ@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-05  1:07                                               ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2005-02-05  1:14                                           ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2005-02-04 14:40                                   ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: Re: [ACPI] Samsung P35, S3, black screen (radeon)) Xavier Bestel
2005-02-05  1:10                                     ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2005-02-04  7:48                               ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: Re: Samsung P35, S3, black screen (radeon)) Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                 ` <20050204074802.GD1086-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04 10:26                                   ` Oliver Neukum
     [not found]                                     ` <200502041126.14386.oliver-GvhC2dPhHPQdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04 11:32                                       ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]                                         ` <42035D5A.2030703-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04 12:11                                           ` David Goodenough
2005-02-04 16:15                                           ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-04  7:43                           ` Samsung P35, S3, black screen (radeon) Pavel Machek
     [not found]                             ` <20050204074302.GA1086-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04 10:19                               ` Nigel Cunningham
     [not found]                                 ` <1107512396.5727.80.camel-r49W/1Cwd2ff0s6lnCXPXw0QcLn3kwYh@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04 16:13                                   ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                     ` <20050204161358.GA1290-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04 22:26                                       ` Nigel Cunningham
     [not found]                                         ` <1107555981.4109.3.camel-r49W/1Cwd2ff0s6lnCXPXw0QcLn3kwYh@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-05  9:31                                           ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                             ` <20050205093118.GA1158-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-05  9:44                                               ` Nigel Cunningham
     [not found]                                                 ` <1107596660.6348.6.camel-r49W/1Cwd2ff0s6lnCXPXw0QcLn3kwYh@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-05  9:45                                                   ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                                     ` <20050205094541.GE1158-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-05  9:51                                                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-02-05  9:32                                           ` Norbert Preining
2005-02-03 22:50               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                 ` <20050203225033.GA1110-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04 15:50                   ` Stefan Seyfried

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