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From: Matthew Garrett <matthew.garrett@nebula.com>
To: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
Cc: "linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	"seth.forshee@canonical.com" <seth.forshee@canonical.com>,
	"joeyli.kernel@gmail.com" <joeyli.kernel@gmail.com>,
	"daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch" <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
	"intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org"
	<intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org"
	<dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"lenb@kernel.org" <lenb@kernel.org>, "rjw@sisk.pl" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Aaron Lu <aaron.lu@intel.com>
Subject: Re: Backlight control only in the kernel?
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 10:36:08 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1375871766.10292.7.camel@x230.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130807074405.GA18272@pd.tnic>

On Wed, 2013-08-07 at 09:44 +0200, Borislav Petkov wrote:

> Background is that on my x230, I needed to connect the
> Fn-Fx backlight hotkey presses to a script to write to
> /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness because Fluxbox doesn't
> do that (and maybe doesn't have to).
> 
> So, without presuming any ACPI or backlight knowledge, can we make the
> backlight control work only in the kernel by connecting the hotkey
> presses to some backlight controlling interface which backlight-capable
> devices implement so that it works regardless of userspace environment?
> Even if the machine is not running X?

Not really. The ACPI driver is able to do this because the events and
the backlight are associated with the same device. We could potentially
make something work with GPU backlight drivers since their PCI device
should also be associated with the backlight device, but things get
complicated quickly - once ddcci support is hooked up you'll also have
kernel backlight devices for some external monitors, and now you need to
make a policy decision about which display should be controlled in
response to the keypress. One reasonable choice would be whichever
display contains the currently focused window, which is obviously out of
scope for the kernel.

So if we're going to do this then we need a generalised mechanism
in-kernel for connecting input devices to backlight devices, and we need
a mechanism for disabling it when userspace knows better. This sounds
like a lot of work for something that should really just be handled by
userspace already.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-08-07 10:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-09 23:01 [PATCH 0/3] Fix backlight issues on some Windows 8 systems Matthew Garrett
2013-06-09 23:01 ` [PATCH 1/3] acpi: video: add function to support unregister backlight interface Matthew Garrett
2013-06-09 23:01 ` [PATCH 2/3] ACPICA: Add interface for getting latest OS version requested via _OSI Matthew Garrett
2013-06-17 22:31   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-06-17 22:37     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-06-18  0:42       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-06-25 23:23         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-02 13:56           ` [PATCH 0/2] Expose OSI version Aaron Lu
2013-07-02 13:59             ` [PATCH 1/2] ACPICA: expose " Aaron Lu
2013-07-02 14:01             ` [PATCH 2/2] ACPI / OSL: add a wrapper function to return " Aaron Lu
2013-07-03 21:57               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-04  1:24                 ` Aaron Lu
2013-07-05 19:52                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-06-09 23:01 ` [PATCH 3/3] i915: Don't provide ACPI backlight interface if firmware expects Windows 8 Matthew Garrett
2013-06-10  7:40   ` Daniel Vetter
2013-06-10  9:22   ` joeyli
2013-06-10 14:09   ` Alex Deucher
2013-06-14  6:47   ` Aaron Lu
2013-06-14 17:29     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-06-15  1:26       ` Aaron Lu
2013-06-15  1:38         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-06-15  4:14           ` Aaron Lu
2013-06-15  4:19             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-06-15 12:29               ` Aaron Lu
2013-06-15 15:16                 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-06-15 18:29                   ` Daniel Vetter
2013-06-15 18:44                     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-06-15 20:27                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-06-15 20:35                       ` Daniel Vetter
2013-07-05 12:20   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-05 20:00     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-05 21:40       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-05 22:23         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-06  5:45           ` Aaron Lu
2013-07-06 13:33             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-07 13:19               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-08  8:00                 ` Aaron Lu
2013-07-13  0:46                   ` [Update][PATCH] ACPI / video / i915: Remove ACPI backlight " Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-15  2:36                     ` Aaron Lu
2013-07-15 11:42                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-16  3:24                         ` Aaron Lu
2013-07-16 11:54                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-15 13:06                     ` Igor Gnatenko
2013-07-15 23:53                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-16  7:45                         ` Igor Gnatenko
2013-07-16 13:32                     ` Igor Gnatenko
2013-07-16 17:08                       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-07-16 22:01                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-17  5:16                           ` Igor Gnatenko
2013-07-17 11:38                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-17 12:03                               ` Igor Gnatenko
2013-06-10 11:59 ` [PATCH 0/3] Fix backlight issues on some Windows 8 systems Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-06-10 13:48   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-06-11 13:08 ` Seth Forshee
2013-06-22 21:46 ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2013-06-25 16:08   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-06-25 16:10     ` Daniel Vetter
2013-06-25 16:13       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-06-25 20:43     ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2013-06-25 20:54       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-06-25 21:10         ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2013-06-25 21:14           ` Matthew Garrett
2013-06-25 21:30             ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2013-06-25 21:33               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-06-25 21:46                 ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2013-06-25 21:49                   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-07-17 15:51   ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-17 19:57     ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2013-07-18  0:16 ` [Update][PATCH " Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-18  0:20   ` [PATCH 1/3] ACPICA: expose OSI version Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-18  5:38     ` Igor Gnatenko
2013-07-18  0:21   ` [PATCH 2/3] ACPI / video: Always call acpi_video_init_brightness() on init Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-18  5:40     ` Igor Gnatenko
2013-07-18  0:22   ` [PATCH 3/3] ACPI / video / i915: No ACPI backlight if firmware expects Windows 8 Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-20 13:16   ` [Update][PATCH 0/3] Fix backlight issues on some Windows 8 systems Felipe Contreras
2013-07-31  0:01   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-31  0:01     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-07-31  6:48     ` Igor Gnatenko
2013-07-31  9:08     ` Aaron Lu
2013-08-07  7:44 ` Backlight control only in the kernel? Borislav Petkov
2013-08-07  9:03   ` Aaron Lu
2013-08-07 10:34     ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-07 10:36   ` Matthew Garrett [this message]
2013-08-07 11:04     ` Borislav Petkov

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