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From: Thomas Renninger <trenn-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: joeyli <jlee-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw-LthD3rsA81gm4RdzfppkhA@public.gmane.org>,
	Alessandro Zummo
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	Matt Fleming
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	Matthew Garrett
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	Oliver Neukum <oneukum-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>,
	werner-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org,
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	"linux-efi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
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	linux-acpi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Borislav Petkov <bp-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/14] Support timezone of ACPI TAD and EFI TIME
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 11:53:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1775986.qxTh3ADDRn@skinner> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52B3C5F0.1060303-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>

On Thursday, December 19, 2013 08:22:08 PM H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> On 12/19/2013 08:05 PM, joeyli wrote:
> > Then that means the priority of PNP0B0x is higher then "CMOS RTC Not
> > Present" flag. ACPI spec doesn't have clear definition on this.
> 
> According to the Microsoft requirements documents, such a platform is
> broken and shouldn't exist.

Is this a public document?
Probably not but if, a pointer in this thread would help.
Does Microsoft mention ACPI Time and Alarm Device interface in
such a document already?

I expect that future platforms will make more and more use of the
ACPI/EFI specified time functions.

It's probably up to Microsoft requiring this at some point of time,
then this stuff will work reliable, possibly others will not anymore.

Given the fact that there are machines which implement this interface
already and it is likely that more and more will, IMHO a first
implementation of this stuff in the kernel, even there are broken BIOSes
around, makes *a lot of* sense.

I suggest a whitelist, however it looks like:
  -> platforms which do not have a PNP0B0x device?
  -> dmi whitelist working platforms
  -> Extend it later with conditions where we know things work as expected

best also introduce an acpi=enable/disable_tad (or simlar) boot param which 
overrides white/blacklisting.
This will allow users to make use of this which may otherwise run into
problems and it will also allow easier testing and feedback
how reliable latest BIOS implementations are.


    Thomas

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-12-20 10:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-12-19  7:43 [RFC PATCH 00/14] Support timezone of ACPI TAD and EFI TIME Lee, Chun-Yi
     [not found] ` <1387439053-8711-1-git-send-email-jlee-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-19  7:44   ` [PATCH 01/14] rtc-efi: fix decrease day twice when computing year days Lee, Chun-Yi
2013-12-19  7:44   ` [PATCH 03/14] rtc: block registration of rtc-cmos when CMOS RTC Not Present Lee, Chun-Yi
     [not found]     ` <1387439053-8711-4-git-send-email-jlee-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-19 14:38       ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]         ` <6fc9a2f9-eae7-4588-a092-f338053ec96a-2ueSQiBKiTY7tOexoI0I+QC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-20  3:54           ` joeyli
2013-12-20  4:20             ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-19 14:59 ` [RFC PATCH 00/14] Support timezone of ACPI TAD and EFI TIME H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]   ` <52B309EB.90300-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-19 16:04     ` Alessandro Zummo
2013-12-20  4:05     ` joeyli
     [not found]       ` <1387512357.3539.4317.camel-ONCj+Eqt86TasUa73XJKwA@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-20  4:22         ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]           ` <52B3C5F0.1060303-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-20  5:38             ` joeyli
     [not found]               ` <1387517916.3539.4446.camel-ONCj+Eqt86TasUa73XJKwA@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-20 21:10                 ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                   ` <52B4B242.5010002-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-20 21:25                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-20 21:45                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-12-20 21:43                       ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                         ` <52B4BA0A.1030902-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-20 21:50                           ` Matt Fleming
     [not found]                             ` <20131220215056.GA29501-HNK1S37rvNbeXh+fF434Mdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-20 22:18                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                                 ` <3476450.BMEcId2Lgj-sKB8Sp2ER+y1GS7QM15AGw@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-21 12:21                                   ` Matt Fleming
2014-01-12  0:30                                     ` [RFT][PATCH] ACPI / init: Run acpi_early_init() before efi_enter_virtual_mode() (was: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/14] Support timezone of ACPI TAD and EFI TIME) Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                                       ` <2530951.HFPX8MI38t-sKB8Sp2ER+y1GS7QM15AGw@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-12  9:06                                         ` Borislav Petkov
2014-01-14  2:04                                           ` Toshi Kani
     [not found]                                             ` <1389665096.1792.271.camel-RbGIw1UOYPVo/CpIj0byZw@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-14 16:25                                               ` Toshi Kani
2014-01-12 11:05                                         ` Matt Fleming
2014-01-17 12:20                                           ` Matt Fleming
2014-01-14  4:09                                       ` joeyli
     [not found]                                         ` <1389672548.24105.252.camel-ONCj+Eqt86TasUa73XJKwA@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-14 16:50                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-14 18:00                                           ` [RFT][PATCH] ACPI / init: Run acpi_early_init() before efi_enter_virtual_mode() H. Peter Anvin
2014-01-14 20:32                                             ` Toshi Kani
     [not found]                                               ` <1389731547.1792.296.camel-RbGIw1UOYPVo/CpIj0byZw@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-15  7:18                                                 ` joeyli
     [not found]                       ` <2787644.ytU7M33B4r-sKB8Sp2ER+y1GS7QM15AGw@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-21  2:43                         ` [RFC PATCH 00/14] Support timezone of ACPI TAD and EFI TIME joeyli
2013-12-20 10:53             ` Thomas Renninger [this message]
2013-12-20 22:15               ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-20 15:16             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-12-20 16:57               ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-20 16:58                 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-12-20 20:29                   ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                     ` <a049daea-a713-4d06-b35f-61f3bec06ba9-2ueSQiBKiTY7tOexoI0I+QC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-20 20:32                       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-12-20 21:14                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-20 21:12               ` H. Peter Anvin
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2013-12-19  7:51 Lee, Chun-Yi

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