From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh-XVmvHMARGAS8U2dJNN8I7kB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Patrick Mochel <mochel-3NddpPZAyC0@public.gmane.org>,
Lyle <lwspm-RAHWjsxJnJUdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
acpi-devel-pyega4qmqnRoyOMFzWx49A@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: suspend.c vs driver-model.txt
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:08:07 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020729150807.3604@192.168.4.1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020729090041.GB115-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
>Hi!
>
>> The nice thing here, I beleive, is that suspend to disk could then just
>> be an additional generic step between 1) and 2) that takes care of
>> dumping memory content to disk.
>
>It can not, because after saving state you can not easily write to
>swap partition.
Well, you have to. I mean, you can't write to swap before saving state
(or you'll miss some state information). Which means the device dealing
with the save has to be treated as a special case. At least, that's what
we figured out when discussing this during OLS.
>> As far as suspend to disk is concerned, we have all sort of nasty issues
>> we discussed that I don't feel like resuming right now, so I would rather
>> have the lowest level driver able to play the backing store export a
>> couple of "hooks" used to dump the pages to the medium, those would work
>> synchronously, without VM activity, etc... The driver that is target for
>> that would have pre-allocated what it needs, pre-mapped DMA mappings it
>> needs etc...
>
>Too complicated. Look at swsusp -- it is designed not to need
>pre-allocated pages, pre-mapped DMA etc.
I didn't look at it recently, but does it work properly in a solid
way whatever state other devices are ?
>> Though, thinking as I write, injecting requests via the BIO layer may
>> be a nicer solution, provided we make sure the driver won't get any
>> request _but_ the ones we feed it. I don't trust a mecanism that would
>> selectively stop given kernel threads, then just hope nobody will push
>> requests any more. That's way too fragile to my taste. I'd rather
>> freeze
>
>Why is it fragile? You just have to be carefull. If you mark thread as
>PF_IOTHREAD it must *not* generate requests unless told to.
I still don't like that very much, but that could still be a solution.
Anyway, I need to look at your latest swsusp work.
Ben.
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[not found] <mochel@osdl.org>
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0207240843090.954-100000-yZQdDDOm3n9ZQn2sFP3R7eTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-24 16:37 ` suspend.c vs driver-model.txt Lyle
[not found] ` <20020724163701.D99F714808-RAHWjsxJnJUdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-24 18:25 ` Patrick Mochel
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0207241100080.954-100000-yZQdDDOm3n9ZQn2sFP3R7eTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-24 17:38 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <20020724173809.10194-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-29 9:00 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20020729090041.GB115-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-29 15:08 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
[not found] ` <20020729150807.3604-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-29 17:56 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20020729175650.GA1233-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-29 17:33 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <20020729173302.30557-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-29 18:31 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20020729183143.GA13729-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-29 18:05 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <20020729180547.20998-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-29 19:11 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20020729191146.GE13729-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 7:57 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-07-29 22:36 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-07-24 17:56 ` Lyle
2002-07-30 0:25 Grover, Andrew
[not found] <20020729180037.GB1233@elf.ucw.cz>
[not found] ` <20020729180037.GB1233-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-29 17:55 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <20020729175556.13645-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-29 19:02 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20020729190219.GD13729-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 7:53 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <20020730075329.26474-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:29 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20020730182921.GD7567-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:18 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <20020730181810.30687-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 19:38 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20020730193857.GC12091-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:39 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <20020730183941.6386-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 19:51 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20020730195149.GI12091-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:50 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-07-30 18:47 ` Patrick Mochel
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0207301136050.22697-100000-yZQdDDOm3n9ZQn2sFP3R7eTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:54 ` Pavel Machek
2002-07-30 8:04 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <20020730080418.11907-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:22 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20020730182255.GC7567-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:32 ` Patrick Mochel
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0207301125370.22697-100000-yZQdDDOm3n9ZQn2sFP3R7eTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:44 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20020730184442.GE7567-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:22 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <20020730182219.13608-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 19:42 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20020730194214.GD12091-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:43 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <20020730184305.23369-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 19:56 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20020730195655.GK12091-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:57 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <20020730185730.615-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 20:06 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20020730200634.GA16297-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 21:21 ` Patrick Mochel
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0207301406440.22697-100000-yZQdDDOm3n9ZQn2sFP3R7eTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-31 21:44 ` Pavel Machek
2002-07-30 22:33 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-07-30 18:51 ` Patrick Mochel
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0207301148350.22697-100000-yZQdDDOm3n9ZQn2sFP3R7eTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:25 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <20020730182552.1477-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 19:47 ` Pavel Machek
2002-07-30 19:00 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20020730190041.GH7567-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:27 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-07-30 19:03 ` Patrick Mochel
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0207301202250.22697-100000-yZQdDDOm3n9ZQn2sFP3R7eTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 19:11 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20020730191127.GB11531-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 19:12 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-07-30 20:46 ` Alan Cox
[not found] ` <1028061979.7974.40.camel-MMxVpc8zpTQVh3rx8e9g/fyykp6/JSeS3vcXtXqGYxw@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:34 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <20020730183448.20582-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 19:53 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20020730195348.GJ12091-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:51 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-07-30 20:11 ` Alan Cox
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2002-07-24 19:43 Grover, Andrew
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2002-07-29 22:50 ` Patrick Mochel
[not found] <lwspm@o-o.yi.org>
[not found] ` <20020724133821.5598714808-RAHWjsxJnJUdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-24 13:47 ` Lyle
[not found] ` <20020724134715.6060914808-RAHWjsxJnJUdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-24 15:51 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-07-24 17:07 ` Pavel Machek
2002-07-24 13:38 Lyle
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