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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh-XVmvHMARGAS8U2dJNN8I7kB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Patrick Mochel <mochel-3NddpPZAyC0@public.gmane.org>,
	Lyle <lwspm-RAHWjsxJnJUdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	acpi-devel-pyega4qmqnRoyOMFzWx49A@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: suspend.c vs driver-model.txt
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:08:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020729150807.3604@192.168.4.1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020729090041.GB115-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>

>Hi!
>
>> The nice thing here, I beleive, is that suspend to disk could then just
>> be an additional generic step between 1) and 2) that takes care of
>> dumping memory content to disk.
>
>It can not, because after saving state you can not easily write to
>swap partition.

Well, you have to. I mean, you can't write to swap before saving state
(or you'll miss some state information). Which means the device dealing
with the save has to be treated as a special case. At least, that's what
we figured out when discussing this during OLS. 

>> As far as suspend to disk is concerned, we have all sort of nasty issues
>> we discussed that I don't feel like resuming right now, so I would rather
>> have the lowest level driver able to play the backing store export a
>> couple of "hooks" used to dump the pages to the medium, those would work
>> synchronously, without VM activity, etc... The driver that is target for
>> that would have pre-allocated what it needs, pre-mapped DMA mappings it
>> needs etc...
>
>Too complicated. Look at swsusp -- it is designed not to need
>pre-allocated pages, pre-mapped DMA etc.

I didn't look at it recently, but does it work properly in a solid
way whatever state other devices are ?

>> Though, thinking as I write, injecting requests via the BIO layer may
>> be a nicer solution, provided we make sure the driver won't get any
>> request _but_ the ones we feed it. I don't trust a mecanism that would
>> selectively stop given kernel threads, then just hope nobody will push
>> requests any more. That's way too fragile to my taste. I'd rather
>> freeze
>
>Why is it fragile? You just have to be carefull. If you mark thread as
>PF_IOTHREAD it must *not* generate requests unless told to.

I still don't like that very much, but that could still be a solution.
Anyway, I need to look at your latest swsusp work.

Ben.




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  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-07-29 15:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mochel@osdl.org>
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0207240843090.954-100000-yZQdDDOm3n9ZQn2sFP3R7eTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-24 16:37   ` suspend.c vs driver-model.txt Lyle
     [not found]     ` <20020724163701.D99F714808-RAHWjsxJnJUdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-24 18:25       ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]         ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0207241100080.954-100000-yZQdDDOm3n9ZQn2sFP3R7eTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-24 17:38           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]             ` <20020724173809.10194-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-29  9:00               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                 ` <20020729090041.GB115-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-29 15:08                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
     [not found]                     ` <20020729150807.3604-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-29 17:56                       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                         ` <20020729175650.GA1233-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-29 17:33                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]                             ` <20020729173302.30557-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-29 18:31                               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                 ` <20020729183143.GA13729-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-29 18:05                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]                                     ` <20020729180547.20998-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-29 19:11                                       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                         ` <20020729191146.GE13729-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30  7:57                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-07-29 22:36               ` Patrick Mochel
2002-07-24 17:56   ` Lyle
2002-07-30  0:25 Grover, Andrew
     [not found] <20020729180037.GB1233@elf.ucw.cz>
     [not found] ` <20020729180037.GB1233-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-29 17:55   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]     ` <20020729175556.13645-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-29 19:02       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]         ` <20020729190219.GD13729-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30  7:53           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]             ` <20020730075329.26474-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:29               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                 ` <20020730182921.GD7567-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:18                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]                     ` <20020730181810.30687-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 19:38                       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                         ` <20020730193857.GC12091-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:39                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]                             ` <20020730183941.6386-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 19:51                               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                 ` <20020730195149.GI12091-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:50                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-07-30 18:47                   ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0207301136050.22697-100000-yZQdDDOm3n9ZQn2sFP3R7eTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:54                       ` Pavel Machek
2002-07-30  8:04           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]             ` <20020730080418.11907-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:22               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                 ` <20020730182255.GC7567-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:32                   ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0207301125370.22697-100000-yZQdDDOm3n9ZQn2sFP3R7eTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:44                       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                         ` <20020730184442.GE7567-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:22                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]                             ` <20020730182219.13608-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 19:42                               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                 ` <20020730194214.GD12091-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:43                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]                                     ` <20020730184305.23369-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 19:56                                       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                         ` <20020730195655.GK12091-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:57                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]                                             ` <20020730185730.615-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 20:06                                               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                                 ` <20020730200634.GA16297-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 21:21                                                   ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                                                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0207301406440.22697-100000-yZQdDDOm3n9ZQn2sFP3R7eTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-31 21:44                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2002-07-30 22:33                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-07-30 18:51                           ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                             ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0207301148350.22697-100000-yZQdDDOm3n9ZQn2sFP3R7eTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:25                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]                                 ` <20020730182552.1477-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 19:47                                   ` Pavel Machek
2002-07-30 19:00                               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                 ` <20020730190041.GH7567-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:27                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-07-30 19:03                                   ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0207301202250.22697-100000-yZQdDDOm3n9ZQn2sFP3R7eTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 19:11                                       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                         ` <20020730191127.GB11531-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 19:12                                           ` Patrick Mochel
2002-07-30 20:46                                   ` Alan Cox
     [not found]                                     ` <1028061979.7974.40.camel-MMxVpc8zpTQVh3rx8e9g/fyykp6/JSeS3vcXtXqGYxw@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:34                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]                                         ` <20020730183448.20582-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 19:53                                           ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                             ` <20020730195348.GJ12091-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:51                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-07-30 20:11                       ` Alan Cox
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-07-24 19:43 Grover, Andrew
     [not found] ` <59885C5E3098D511AD690002A5072D3C07990D78-OU+JdkIUtvcLll3ZsUKC9FDQ4js95KgL@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-29 22:50   ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found] <lwspm@o-o.yi.org>
     [not found] ` <20020724133821.5598714808-RAHWjsxJnJUdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-24 13:47   ` Lyle
     [not found]     ` <20020724134715.6060914808-RAHWjsxJnJUdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-24 15:51       ` Patrick Mochel
2002-07-24 17:07   ` Pavel Machek
2002-07-24 13:38 Lyle

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