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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh-XVmvHMARGAS8U2dJNN8I7kB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Patrick Mochel <mochel-3NddpPZAyC0@public.gmane.org>
Cc: acpi-devel-pyega4qmqnRoyOMFzWx49A@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: suspend.c vs driver-model.txt
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 20:22:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020730182219.13608@192.168.4.1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020730184442.GE7567-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>

>1) implies that new requests are not coming, so driver authors do not
>have to do if (suspended) sleep() in their hot paths.

What about, let's say, an USB device driver that needs the USB host
chip (and thus the whole USB subsystem) to be still alive to send
proper commands to the device for suspend ? (typically setup the
remote wakeup when supported, etc...)

There can be even more nasty dependencies when you start stacking
things.

There are ordering dependencies. Those dependencies are dictated
by the bus layout that is fortunately provided for us by the new
driver model (let's not mix it with driverfs). It's not a subsystem
that has to be suspended not to send requests to a driver, it's
a driver that has to stop accepting requests, though it's then
perfectly valid for the subsystem to provide a "helper" routine
for the driver to deal with that.
(Typically, those "helpers" already exist for other purposes anyway
like stopping your block queue, stopping your network queue, etc...)

Ben.




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  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-07-30 18:22 UTC|newest]

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     [not found] <20020729180037.GB1233@elf.ucw.cz>
     [not found] ` <20020729180037.GB1233-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-29 17:55   ` suspend.c vs driver-model.txt Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]     ` <20020729175556.13645-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-29 19:02       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]         ` <20020729190219.GD13729-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30  7:53           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]             ` <20020730075329.26474-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:29               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                 ` <20020730182921.GD7567-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:18                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]                     ` <20020730181810.30687-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 19:38                       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                         ` <20020730193857.GC12091-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:39                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]                             ` <20020730183941.6386-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 19:51                               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                 ` <20020730195149.GI12091-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:50                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-07-30 18:47                   ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0207301136050.22697-100000-yZQdDDOm3n9ZQn2sFP3R7eTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:54                       ` Pavel Machek
2002-07-30 21:54               ` ACPI Suspend Standby Sleep A.MAINS
     [not found]                 ` <000001c23813$a8888ad0$9865fea9-9tCyY70DaME@public.gmane.org>
2002-08-01  9:48                   ` Pavel Machek
2002-07-30  8:04           ` suspend.c vs driver-model.txt Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]             ` <20020730080418.11907-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:22               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                 ` <20020730182255.GC7567-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:32                   ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0207301125370.22697-100000-yZQdDDOm3n9ZQn2sFP3R7eTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:44                       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                         ` <20020730184442.GE7567-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:22                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
     [not found]                             ` <20020730182219.13608-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 19:42                               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                 ` <20020730194214.GD12091-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:43                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]                                     ` <20020730184305.23369-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 19:56                                       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                         ` <20020730195655.GK12091-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:57                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]                                             ` <20020730185730.615-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 20:06                                               ` Pavel Machek
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2002-07-30 21:21                                                   ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                                                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0207301406440.22697-100000-yZQdDDOm3n9ZQn2sFP3R7eTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-31 21:44                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2002-07-30 22:33                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-07-30 18:51                           ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                             ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0207301148350.22697-100000-yZQdDDOm3n9ZQn2sFP3R7eTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:25                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]                                 ` <20020730182552.1477-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 19:47                                   ` Pavel Machek
2002-07-30 19:00                               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                 ` <20020730190041.GH7567-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:27                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-07-30 19:03                                   ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0207301202250.22697-100000-yZQdDDOm3n9ZQn2sFP3R7eTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 19:11                                       ` Pavel Machek
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2002-07-30 19:12                                           ` Patrick Mochel
2002-07-30 20:46                                   ` Alan Cox
     [not found]                                     ` <1028061979.7974.40.camel-MMxVpc8zpTQVh3rx8e9g/fyykp6/JSeS3vcXtXqGYxw@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:34                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]                                         ` <20020730183448.20582-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 19:53                                           ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                             ` <20020730195348.GJ12091-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30 18:51                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-07-30 20:11                       ` Alan Cox
2002-07-30  0:25 Grover, Andrew
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2002-07-24 19:43 Grover, Andrew
     [not found] ` <59885C5E3098D511AD690002A5072D3C07990D78-OU+JdkIUtvcLll3ZsUKC9FDQ4js95KgL@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-29 22:50   ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found] <mochel@osdl.org>
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0207240843090.954-100000-yZQdDDOm3n9ZQn2sFP3R7eTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-24 16:37   ` Lyle
     [not found]     ` <20020724163701.D99F714808-RAHWjsxJnJUdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-24 18:25       ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]         ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0207241100080.954-100000-yZQdDDOm3n9ZQn2sFP3R7eTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-24 17:38           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]             ` <20020724173809.10194-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-29  9:00               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                 ` <20020729090041.GB115-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-29 15:08                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]                     ` <20020729150807.3604-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-29 17:56                       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                         ` <20020729175650.GA1233-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-29 17:33                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]                             ` <20020729173302.30557-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-29 18:31                               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                 ` <20020729183143.GA13729-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-29 18:05                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]                                     ` <20020729180547.20998-Q0ErXNX1RuY/GWcAdfcqrQ@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-29 19:11                                       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                         ` <20020729191146.GE13729-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-30  7:57                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-07-29 22:36               ` Patrick Mochel
2002-07-24 17:56   ` Lyle
     [not found] <lwspm@o-o.yi.org>
     [not found] ` <20020724133821.5598714808-RAHWjsxJnJUdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-24 13:47   ` Lyle
     [not found]     ` <20020724134715.6060914808-RAHWjsxJnJUdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2002-07-24 15:51       ` Patrick Mochel
2002-07-24 17:07   ` Pavel Machek
2002-07-24 13:38 Lyle

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