* Re: Re: Compaq Presario 2800T [not found] ` <200207311759.g6VHx0H13028-8C26QQ9M3evYjFCvLzxXUyvJykC1LJ6w@public.gmane.org> @ 2002-07-31 18:33 ` Charl P. Botha [not found] ` <20020731183327.GE20461-V1rPnKwUOrA59+mn7qD7y50iERQUc4G+@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Charl P. Botha @ 2002-07-31 18:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 03:58:28PM +0000, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > The DRI patch seems to work great on it as well, so it can chvt away > from X, echo 4 > /proc/acpi/sleep and suspend, and comes back > ok. Great work on that! You mean you're using the kludge? If so, congratulations, you're my first datapoint! ;) -- charl p. botha http://cpbotha.net/ http://visualisation.tudelft.nl/ ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
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* Re: Re: Compaq Presario 2800T [not found] ` <20020731183327.GE20461-V1rPnKwUOrA59+mn7qD7y50iERQUc4G+@public.gmane.org> @ 2002-07-31 18:42 ` Kevin Fenzi [not found] ` <20020731184246.382.qmail-+bl/7iUgRMUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Kevin Fenzi @ 2002-07-31 18:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>> "Charl" == Charl P Botha <c.p.botha-ra0OqMccq8edIhEUFHOBvg@public.gmane.org> writes: Charl> On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 03:58:28PM +0000, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> The DRI patch seems to work great on it as well, so it can chvt >> away from X, echo 4 > /proc/acpi/sleep and suspend, and comes back >> ok. Great work on that! Charl> You mean you're using the kludge? If so, congratulations, Charl> you're my first datapoint! ;) yep. Seems to work. :) thanks for the patch! I need to do some more testing... not sure I had any 3d stuff running at any point, but it seems to work. Charl> -- charl p. botha http://cpbotha.net/ Charl> http://visualisation.tudelft.nl/ kevin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.6 and Gnu Privacy Guard <http://www.gnupg.org/> iD8DBQE9SC+m3imCezTjY0ERArOuAJkBxP+JdxfbRdoBKdP4I6FPlYrypwCfUgL5 xf6c6qMN+mQhoNBl26NtNkA= =rQsp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
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* Re: Re: Compaq Presario 2800T [not found] ` <20020731184246.382.qmail-+bl/7iUgRMUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> @ 2002-07-31 18:57 ` Charl P. Botha [not found] ` <20020731185719.GA20627-V1rPnKwUOrA59+mn7qD7y50iERQUc4G+@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Charl P. Botha @ 2002-07-31 18:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 12:42:45PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > thanks for the patch! Thanks for testing! > I need to do some more testing... not sure I had any 3d stuff running > at any point, but it seems to work. There _might_ be a problem with the DRI install.sh script being so paranoid about alien libGL libs that it moves yours somewhere else... I'm going to fix that soon. If you can see a message in your XFree86.log like this: (II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering enabled after VT switch after switching back from the console, it means everything is hunky dory. Just remember to test for the radeon usecount before you suspend... Thanks, Charl -- charl p. botha http://cpbotha.net/ http://visualisation.tudelft.nl/ ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
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* Re: Re: Compaq Presario 2800T [not found] ` <20020731185719.GA20627-V1rPnKwUOrA59+mn7qD7y50iERQUc4G+@public.gmane.org> @ 2002-07-31 19:02 ` Sourav K Mandal 0 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Sourav K Mandal @ 2002-07-31 19:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Charl P. Botha; +Cc: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f > There _might_ be a problem with the DRI install.sh script being so paranoid > about alien libGL libs that it moves yours somewhere else... I'm going to > fix that soon. It does in fact do that; however, running "ldconfig" as root seems to clear up any linking errors. Sourav ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: Compaq Presario 2800T
@ 2002-08-01 5:51 Sourav K Mandal
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From: Sourav K Mandal @ 2002-08-01 5:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f; +Cc: smandal-DPNOqEs/LNQ
Hi,
So I upgraded to the acpi-20020726+swusp11. Nothing much
has changed; however, I did develop a workaround for the hang
when resuming from the suspension. I was able to deduce that
ALSA was the culprit, so I simply shutdown/start ALSA in my
suspension script.
The hangs on resume started with the patching of the DSDT.
ACPI with the patched DSDT is producing the following error
(excerpted from dmesg):
Executing all Device _STA and_INI methods:...evrgnini-0243:
*** Error: Could not install Pci+config handler for C03C,
This error is repeated thrice. Since my sound component
(ADI SoundMAX, Intel 810) is PCI, I wonder if it's related?
I'm not sure how to eliminate the error ... I could send
my ASL DSDT to somebody who might be interested.
Regards,
Sourav
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* Re: Re: Compaq Presario 2800T [not found] ` <200208010551.BAA23125-6sBejHMmrpxoPFBmMDZSOjyo3AZ8UMn9@public.gmane.org> @ 2002-08-03 22:06 ` Kevin Fenzi [not found] ` <20020803220614.21895.qmail-+bl/7iUgRMUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Kevin Fenzi @ 2002-08-03 22:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Just thought I would update everyone on my presario 2800 acpi progress. Once I modified the dsdt with the correct tool (thanks for the pointer), most everything is working! Software suspend still seems to work well. Some questions: With the processor information in /proc/acpi/processor, I have: info: processor id: 0 acpi id: 1 bus mastering control: yes power management: yes throttling control: yes performance management: yes limit interface: yes limit: active limit: P0:T0 platform limit: P0:T0 user limit: P0:T0 thermal limit: P0:T0 performance: state count: 2 active state: P0 states: *P0: 1800 MHz, 20000 mW, 500 uS P1: 1200 MHz, 10000 mW, 500 uS power: active state: C2 default state: C1 bus master activity: ffffffff states: C1: promotion[C2] demotion[--] latency[000] usage[00193030] *C2: promotion[C3] demotion[C1] latency[002] usage[25563637] C3: promotion[--] demotion[C2] latency[085] usage[00000234] throttling: state count: 8 active state: T0 states: *T0: 00% T1: 12% T2: 25% T3: 37% T4: 50% T5: 62% T6: 75% T7: 87% The only thing I can change is the "throttling" setting. Is that just cpu idling? or something else? It doesn't seem to want to let me change "power" or "performance". Any ideas? Also, the brightness buttons (Fn-F7 and Fn-F8) work ok in the bios, but don't seem to do anything once linux is booted. Is that ACPI related? Something else? Also, this is a interesting one... the lid button is registered and it shows an ACPI event each time it closes or opens, but it doesn't show if it's closed or open, just a incremented number. any way to tell which state the lid is in? ie, a close, open lid cycle shows as: [Sat Aug 3 16:04:55 2002] received event "button/lid C11D 00000080 00000021" [Sat Aug 3 16:04:55 2002] completed event "button/lid C11D 00000080 00000021" [Sat Aug 3 16:05:01 2002] received event "button/lid C11D 00000080 00000022" [Sat Aug 3 16:05:01 2002] completed event "button/lid C11D 00000080 00000022" so, 21 and 22... next time will be 23 and 24, etc.. Do I just odd/even to detemine if the lid is closed? Thanks for all the help on this list... you guys have been great. I am quite happy with the laptop now. kevin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.6 and Gnu Privacy Guard <http://www.gnupg.org/> iD8DBQE9TFPW3imCezTjY0ERAlIjAJ4lehM4D4j4yeKz91ls29f/roKyRACgg/jM chs01y7UwUfmam1h2SFtT4w= =iPax -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
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* Re: Re: Compaq Presario 2800T [not found] ` <20020803220614.21895.qmail-+bl/7iUgRMUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> @ 2002-08-05 6:26 ` Sourav K. Mandal [not found] ` <1028528792.7332.14.camel-EJ/iAjOy/T0JnZiWfHhLXw@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Sourav K. Mandal @ 2002-08-05 6:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Kevin Fenzi; +Cc: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f On Sat, 2002-08-03 at 18:06, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Also, the brightness buttons (Fn-F7 and Fn-F8) work ok in the bios, > but don't seem to do anything once linux is booted. Is that ACPI > related? Something else? I have seen observed all the behaviors you have on my own 2800 except this one -- my brightnesses work correctly, even over reboots, i.e. brightness values with and without AC adapter are stored and restored. FYI, I'm using linux-2.4.18+acpi-20020726+swsusp11+packet-cd Sourav ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
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* Re: Re: Compaq Presario 2800T [not found] ` <1028528792.7332.14.camel-EJ/iAjOy/T0JnZiWfHhLXw@public.gmane.org> @ 2002-08-05 15:04 ` Kevin Fenzi [not found] ` <20020805150428.10039.qmail-+bl/7iUgRMUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Kevin Fenzi @ 2002-08-05 15:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sourav K. Mandal; +Cc: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>> "Sourav" == Sourav K Mandal <smandal-DPNOqEs/LNQ@public.gmane.org> writes: Sourav> On Sat, 2002-08-03 at 18:06, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> Also, the brightness buttons (Fn-F7 and Fn-F8) work ok in the bios, >> but don't seem to do anything once linux is booted. Is that ACPI >> related? Something else? Sourav> I have seen observed all the behaviors you have on my own 2800 Sourav> except this one -- my brightnesses work correctly, even over Sourav> reboots, i.e. brightness values with and without AC adapter Sourav> are stored and restored. it stores and restores them ok, but I cant change them once linux is up and running. LIke the buttons stop doing anything. ;( Sourav> FYI, I'm using linux-2.4.18+acpi-20020726+swsusp11+packet-cd Sourav> Sourav kevin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.6 and Gnu Privacy Guard <http://www.gnupg.org/> iD8DBQE9TpP73imCezTjY0ERArJtAJ0ZAv2hTPjJxnyyIwvvY6Qn7EgSfACfZWaP t8ss+hmKPGgqevT4geKlaFM= =VELK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
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* Re: Re: Compaq Presario 2800T [not found] ` <20020805150428.10039.qmail-+bl/7iUgRMUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> @ 2002-08-06 6:13 ` Sourav K. Mandal [not found] ` <1028614416.4553.3.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Sourav K. Mandal @ 2002-08-06 6:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Kevin Fenzi; +Cc: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f On Mon, 2002-08-05 at 11:04, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > it stores and restores them ok, but I cant change them once linux is > up and running. LIke the buttons stop doing anything. ;( Yeah, trying it out myself it seems like a DRI thing. Try turning off DRI in your XF86Config and see if it helps. You might have to reboot ... DRI doesn't work when coming back from suspend, and some things don't work once you run DRI. For me, once I run DRI the backlight refuses to turn off on lid close -- reboot fixes this. If that doesn't work, try switching to a text console. I have yet to apply Charl's patch, and so I alternate between DRI and no-DRI XF86Configs. I don't know if the patch fixes the backlight thing ... Sourav ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
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* Re: Re: Compaq Presario 2800T [not found] ` <1028614416.4553.3.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> @ 2002-08-06 8:16 ` Charl P. Botha [not found] ` <20020806081618.GA7148-V1rPnKwUOrA59+mn7qD7y50iERQUc4G+@public.gmane.org> 2002-08-06 15:29 ` Kevin Fenzi 1 sibling, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Charl P. Botha @ 2002-08-06 8:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 02:13:32AM -0400, Sourav K. Mandal wrote: > On Mon, 2002-08-05 at 11:04, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Yeah, trying it out myself it seems like a DRI thing. Try > turning off DRI in your XF86Config and see if it helps. You might have > to reboot ... DRI doesn't work when coming back from suspend, and some > things don't work once you run DRI. For me, once I run DRI the > backlight refuses to turn off on lid close -- reboot fixes this. > > If that doesn't work, try switching to a text console. > > I have yet to apply Charl's patch, and so I alternate between DRI and > no-DRI XF86Configs. I don't know if the patch fixes the backlight thing > ... FWIW, my dim/bright keys (Fn-F6 and Fn-F6) always work and the brightness level is even retained across reboots. The binaries on http://cpbotha.net/dri_reinit.html have been updated, although I doubt that thet changes have to do with your brightness settings. -- charl p. botha http://cpbotha.net/ http://visualisation.tudelft.nl/ ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
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* Re: Re: Compaq Presario 2800T [not found] ` <20020806081618.GA7148-V1rPnKwUOrA59+mn7qD7y50iERQUc4G+@public.gmane.org> @ 2002-08-06 15:31 ` Kevin Fenzi [not found] ` <20020806153127.23056.qmail-+bl/7iUgRMUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> 2002-08-07 22:46 ` Kevin Fenzi 1 sibling, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Kevin Fenzi @ 2002-08-06 15:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Charl P. Botha; +Cc: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>> "Charl" == Charl P Botha <c.p.botha-ra0OqMccq8edIhEUFHOBvg@public.gmane.org> writes: Charl> On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 02:13:32AM -0400, Sourav K. Mandal Charl> wrote: >> >> I have yet to apply Charl's patch, and so I alternate between DRI >> and no-DRI XF86Configs. I don't know if the patch fixes the >> backlight thing ... Charl> FWIW, my dim/bright keys (Fn-F6 and Fn-F6) always work and the Charl> brightness level is even retained across reboots. The binaries Charl> on http://cpbotha.net/dri_reinit.html have been updated, Charl> although I doubt that thet changes have to do with your Charl> brightness settings. Thanks, I will try the updated ones as soon as I get a chance. Whats changed? Same diff against newer dri? kevin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.6 and Gnu Privacy Guard <http://www.gnupg.org/> iD8DBQE9T+vP3imCezTjY0ERAum2AJ9SYlbQvQberNOUSH7sHeC3X+D23ACgjt+k IH2YRPzWcugLyFLAD0EG8W8= =qc1Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
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* Re: Re: Compaq Presario 2800T [not found] ` <20020806153127.23056.qmail-+bl/7iUgRMUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> @ 2002-08-06 15:36 ` Charl P. Botha 0 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Charl P. Botha @ 2002-08-06 15:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Kevin Fenzi; +Cc: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 09:31:24AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Charl> FWIW, my dim/bright keys (Fn-F6 and Fn-F6) always work and the > Charl> brightness level is even retained across reboots. The binaries > Charl> on http://cpbotha.net/dri_reinit.html have been updated, > Charl> although I doubt that thet changes have to do with your > Charl> brightness settings. > > Thanks, I will try the updated ones as soon as I get a chance. > Whats changed? Same diff against newer dri? There is more detail at cpbotha.net/dri_reinit.html. Basically, Michel Dänzer has re-engineered my concept to make it more stable. You can now do things like run multiple DRI-capable servers at the same time and switch between them... they will automatically switch between hardware and software 3D depending on who's holding a lock on the Radeon hardware. My kludge could also do this, but would break under certain circumstances. The suspend/resume software is still more or less the same. -- charl p. botha http://cpbotha.net/ http://visualisation.tudelft.nl/ ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: Compaq Presario 2800T [not found] ` <20020806081618.GA7148-V1rPnKwUOrA59+mn7qD7y50iERQUc4G+@public.gmane.org> 2002-08-06 15:31 ` Kevin Fenzi @ 2002-08-07 22:46 ` Kevin Fenzi [not found] ` <20020807224648.5744.qmail-+bl/7iUgRMUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> 1 sibling, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Kevin Fenzi @ 2002-08-07 22:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Charl P. Botha; +Cc: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>> "Charl" == Charl P Botha <c.p.botha-ra0OqMccq8edIhEUFHOBvg@public.gmane.org> writes: Charl> FWIW, my dim/bright keys (Fn-F6 and Fn-F6) always work and the Charl> brightness level is even retained across reboots. The binaries Charl> on http://cpbotha.net/dri_reinit.html have been updated, Charl> although I doubt that thet changes have to do with your Charl> brightness settings. Well, I finally got around to upgrading to the newest one there (got some more memory for the laptop and had to reboot anyhow)... I also did some debugging... The Fn f7 (dim) and Fn-f8 (brighten) and Fn-F4 (monitor) all work fine when I first boot up. They also work fine if I start X with no DRM. If I start X with drm, then they stop working and won't work again until I reboot. Any ideas? Could be a XFree86 version problem? I am running RedHat limbo with XFree86-4.2.0-56 + your drm_reinit modules. kevin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.6 and Gnu Privacy Guard <http://www.gnupg.org/> iD8DBQE9UaNX3imCezTjY0ERAonrAJ9Gr62NIEG0iuDZKCUxpJq1EFMQpQCfcdua hcd+BNZvpMsThcef+qLBs2U= =/WtP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
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* Re: Re: Compaq Presario 2800T [not found] ` <20020807224648.5744.qmail-+bl/7iUgRMUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> @ 2002-08-07 22:57 ` Sourav K Mandal [not found] ` <200208072257.SAA04328-UAlz0gpoyMvRrlGjHHsfAOmCSIfjHtlf@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Sourav K Mandal @ 2002-08-07 22:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Kevin Fenzi; +Cc: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f > The Fn f7 (dim) and Fn-f8 (brighten) and Fn-F4 (monitor) all work fine > when I first boot up. They also work fine if I start X with no DRM. If > I start X with drm, then they stop working and won't work again until > I reboot. Exactly what I'm getting, but with stock DRI modules. > Any ideas? Could be a XFree86 version problem? Unforunately, not really. :-( My (layman's) guess is that it has something to do with the GPU's power state. The BIOS won't shut down the LCD until it's satisfied with the Radeon's power state; once DRM is used the Radeon cannot enter an acceptable power state. This is the inverse of the DRI-on-resume problem, that once the Radeon is shutdown w/o reset, the DRM "parts" don't wake up properoly. Sourav ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
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* Re: Re: Compaq Presario 2800T [not found] ` <200208072257.SAA04328-UAlz0gpoyMvRrlGjHHsfAOmCSIfjHtlf@public.gmane.org> @ 2002-08-07 23:05 ` Charl P. Botha [not found] ` <20020807230502.GA3563-V1rPnKwUOrA59+mn7qD7y50iERQUc4G+@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Charl P. Botha @ 2002-08-07 23:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sourav K Mandal; +Cc: Kevin Fenzi, acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f On Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 06:57:25PM -0400, Sourav K Mandal wrote: > > The Fn f7 (dim) and Fn-f8 (brighten) and Fn-F4 (monitor) all work fine > > when I first boot up. They also work fine if I start X with no DRM. If > > I start X with drm, then they stop working and won't work again until > > I reboot. > > Exactly what I'm getting, but with stock DRI modules. Just for clarity, on my laptop (which is not a Compaq, but a no-namer with Radeon Mobility 7500 64MB) the bright/dim keys always work, DRI or no DRI. > > Any ideas? Could be a XFree86 version problem? > > Unforunately, not really. :-( > > My (layman's) guess is that it has something to do with the GPU's > power state. The BIOS won't shut down the LCD until it's > satisfied with the Radeon's power state; once DRM is used > the Radeon cannot enter an acceptable power state. If you experience this with stock XFree86 DRI as well, I would post a report on xpert-72qDnkntNoRAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org as well. One of the ATI engineers is spending a lot of time with these drivers and might have something to add to the equation. > This is the inverse of the DRI-on-resume problem, that once > the Radeon is shutdown w/o reset, the DRM "parts" don't > wake up properoly. The DRM wasn't designed for stopping/starting in mid-stride, which is why we've made it so that it completely initialises/de-initialises during VT-switch. If certain remaining technical problems can be sorted out, this might even make XFree86 4.3.0, at least until a more generic solution can be implemented. Good luck, Charl -- charl p. botha http://cpbotha.net/ http://visualisation.tudelft.nl/ ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
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* Re: Re: Compaq Presario 2800T [not found] ` <20020807230502.GA3563-V1rPnKwUOrA59+mn7qD7y50iERQUc4G+@public.gmane.org> @ 2002-08-07 23:17 ` Kevin Fenzi 0 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Kevin Fenzi @ 2002-08-07 23:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Charl P. Botha; +Cc: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>> "Charl" == Charl P Botha <c.p.botha-ra0OqMccq8edIhEUFHOBvg@public.gmane.org> writes: Charl> On Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 06:57:25PM -0400, Sourav K Mandal Charl> wrote: >> > The Fn f7 (dim) and Fn-f8 (brighten) and Fn-F4 (monitor) all work >> fine > when I first boot up. They also work fine if I start X with >> no DRM. If > I start X with drm, then they stop working and won't >> work again until > I reboot. >> >> Exactly what I'm getting, but with stock DRI modules. Charl> Just for clarity, on my laptop (which is not a Compaq, but a Charl> no-namer with Radeon Mobility 7500 64MB) the bright/dim keys Charl> always work, DRI or no DRI. so it might be a bios diffrence... ? >> My (layman's) guess is that it has something to do with the GPU's >> power state. The BIOS won't shut down the LCD until it's satisfied >> with the Radeon's power state; once DRM is used the Radeon cannot >> enter an acceptable power state. Charl> If you experience this with stock XFree86 DRI as well, I would Charl> post a report on xpert-72qDnkntNoRAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org as well. One of the ATI Charl> engineers is spending a lot of time with these drivers and Charl> might have something to add to the equation. ok. I will try and test it later tonight and see. I can't remember if I saw it with stock X/drm or not. >> This is the inverse of the DRI-on-resume problem, that once the >> Radeon is shutdown w/o reset, the DRM "parts" don't wake up >> properoly. Charl> The DRM wasn't designed for stopping/starting in mid-stride, Charl> which is why we've made it so that it completely Charl> initialises/de-initialises during VT-switch. If certain Charl> remaining technical problems can be sorted out, this might even Charl> make XFree86 4.3.0, at least until a more generic solution can Charl> be implemented. excellent. Charl> Good luck, Charl kevin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.6 and Gnu Privacy Guard <http://www.gnupg.org/> iD8DBQE9UaqC3imCezTjY0ERAgHVAJ9mLzQXUEQ893HzqDAbipwoLnUbzACeKd+B ofgte2+w7GMrGw8cLlTVdA8= =gczI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: Compaq Presario 2800T [not found] ` <1028614416.4553.3.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> 2002-08-06 8:16 ` Charl P. Botha @ 2002-08-06 15:29 ` Kevin Fenzi 1 sibling, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Kevin Fenzi @ 2002-08-06 15:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sourav K. Mandal; +Cc: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>> "Sourav" == Sourav K Mandal <smandal-DPNOqEs/LNQ@public.gmane.org> writes: Sourav> On Mon, 2002-08-05 at 11:04, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> it stores and restores them ok, but I cant change them once linux >> is up and running. LIke the buttons stop doing anything. ;( Sourav> Yeah, trying it out myself it seems like a DRI thing. Try Sourav> turning off DRI in your XF86Config and see if it helps. You Sourav> might have to reboot ... DRI doesn't work when coming back Sourav> from suspend, and some things don't work once you run DRI. Sourav> For me, once I run DRI the backlight refuses to turn off on Sourav> lid close -- reboot fixes this. humm... interesting... Sourav> If that doesn't work, try switching to a text console. buttons still don't work in a text console either. I might try with no DRI after a bit... enjoying the stability for a few days. For the backlight I rescovered: http://fdd.com/software/radeon/ Tool to turn on/off the backlight. I set it up in acpid to turn off the backlight when the lid closes and back on when the lid opens (as long as it doesn't get out of sync). Sourav> I have yet to apply Charl's patch, and so I alternate between Sourav> DRI and no-DRI XF86Configs. I don't know if the patch fixes Sourav> the backlight thing ... I am running that patched radeon, and I can't do anything with brightness or the external monitor. Might be something else in my setup tho. Sourav> Sourav kevin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.6 and Gnu Privacy Guard <http://www.gnupg.org/> iD8DBQE9T+tl3imCezTjY0ERAuwOAJ9cHeybDYhG2N9zoDgZh1sbjzr1HACggW+1 yQPEZCyXoNjxQ4+I5A3Wt/s= =wYcn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
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* Re: Re: Compaq Presario 2800T [not found] ` <200207311758.NAA21154-Cs4HVWLvPxMX+BO+eGb0EyTLNgK6kQ+zN7jzCyCsa88@public.gmane.org> @ 2002-07-31 18:11 ` Sourav K Mandal [not found] ` <200207311811.OAA25369-UwFBHNxiom0K2f9UKZ/Dkzyo3AZ8UMn9@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Sourav K Mandal @ 2002-07-31 18:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Kevin Fenzi; +Cc: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f > Reading the back archives, it sounds like some folks are having luck > cleaning up the DSDT for this laptop and getting battery, etc... > > Does anyone have a working (or at least more than the default) DSDT > they could send me? I don't have my laptop with me, but I just did the following text substitutions (using sed) on the ASL DSDT: "*PNP" -> "PNP" (per Christoph) "C11C" -> "BAT1" "C11B" -> "BAT2" "C11A" -> "ACAD" (I'm not sure about this one -- check your /proc/acpi/ac_adapter dir first) > Software suspend seems to work well... It was working well until I fixed my DSDT! > The DRI patch seems to work great on it as well, so it can chvt away > from X, echo 4 > /proc/acpi/sleep and suspend, and comes back > ok. Great work on that! Interesting that you have a /proc/acpi/sleep entry; I don't. I've been using "echo -n '1 0 0' > /proc/sys/kernel/swsusp". It just occurs to me that I should turn on the debugging bits and see if I can understand what's wrong ... > With the default acpi-20020726 I get temp readings, but it says ac is > always on, and battery doesn't give any info at all. This should be repaired once you tweak the DSDT. Please report back how it goes -- I'm using the 20020709 series of patches on kernel 2.4.18, so if everything works out for you I might upgrade to 20020726. Sourav ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
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* Re: Re: Compaq Presario 2800T [not found] ` <200207311811.OAA25369-UwFBHNxiom0K2f9UKZ/Dkzyo3AZ8UMn9@public.gmane.org> @ 2002-07-31 18:29 ` Charl P. Botha [not found] ` <20020731182915.GB20461-V1rPnKwUOrA59+mn7qD7y50iERQUc4G+@public.gmane.org> 2002-07-31 18:41 ` Kevin Fenzi 1 sibling, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Charl P. Botha @ 2002-07-31 18:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 02:11:09PM -0400, Sourav K Mandal wrote: > Interesting that you have a /proc/acpi/sleep entry; I don't. I've > been using "echo -n '1 0 0' > /proc/sys/kernel/swsusp". It just > occurs to me that I should turn on the debugging bits and see > if I can understand what's wrong ... You should upgrade to 20020726 or edit your .config so that CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP is activated. When I _didn't_ do this, i.e. only swsusp but no /proc/acpi/sleep, suspend/resume stopped working on my laptop as well. -- charl p. botha http://cpbotha.net/ http://visualisation.tudelft.nl/ ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
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* Re: Re: Compaq Presario 2800T [not found] ` <20020731182915.GB20461-V1rPnKwUOrA59+mn7qD7y50iERQUc4G+@public.gmane.org> @ 2002-07-31 18:33 ` Sourav K Mandal [not found] ` <200207311833.OAA29938-UwFBHNxiom0K2f9UKZ/Dkzyo3AZ8UMn9@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Sourav K Mandal @ 2002-07-31 18:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Charl P. Botha; +Cc: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f > You should upgrade to 20020726 or edit your .config so that > CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP is activated. When I _didn't_ do this, i.e. only swsusp > but no /proc/acpi/sleep, suspend/resume stopped working on my laptop as well. I did put CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP in my .config, but it didn't work: no /proc/acpi/sleep, and resume locks. (Were you simply unable to suspend, or did you have the same problem where the resume locks?) Sourav PS: It has nothing to do with X, so it has nothing to do with the Synaptics driver. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
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* Re: Re: Compaq Presario 2800T [not found] ` <200207311833.OAA29938-UwFBHNxiom0K2f9UKZ/Dkzyo3AZ8UMn9@public.gmane.org> @ 2002-07-31 18:35 ` Charl P. Botha 0 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Charl P. Botha @ 2002-07-31 18:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 02:33:22PM -0400, Sourav K Mandal wrote: > > You should upgrade to 20020726 or edit your .config so that > > CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP is activated. When I _didn't_ do this, i.e. only swsusp > > but no /proc/acpi/sleep, suspend/resume stopped working on my laptop as well. > > I did put CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP in my .config, but it didn't work: > no /proc/acpi/sleep, and resume locks. (Were you simply unable > to suspend, or did you have the same problem where the resume > locks?) As far as I can remember, the resume locked... but I'm a bit vague on this, as this happened in a period when I was experimenting with 98239849832 other things to get the laptop working to my taste. ;) -- charl p. botha http://cpbotha.net/ http://visualisation.tudelft.nl/ ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: Compaq Presario 2800T [not found] ` <200207311811.OAA25369-UwFBHNxiom0K2f9UKZ/Dkzyo3AZ8UMn9@public.gmane.org> 2002-07-31 18:29 ` Charl P. Botha @ 2002-07-31 18:41 ` Kevin Fenzi [not found] ` <20020731184124.316.qmail-+bl/7iUgRMUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> 1 sibling, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Kevin Fenzi @ 2002-07-31 18:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sourav K Mandal; +Cc: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>> "Sourav" == Sourav K Mandal <Sourav> writes: >> Does anyone have a working (or at least more than the default) DSDT >> they could send me? Sourav> I don't have my laptop with me, but I just did the following Sourav> text substitutions (using sed) on the ASL DSDT: Sourav> "*PNP" -> "PNP" (per Christoph) "C11C" -> "BAT1" "C11B" -> Sourav> "BAT2" "C11A" -> "ACAD" (I'm not sure about this one -- check Sourav> your /proc/acpi/ac_adapter dir first) well, I did that, but then iasl gives me: iasl-linux-20020725/iasl -tc -bb -i dsdt.asl-new Intel ACPI Component Architecture ASL Compiler / AML Disassembler version 20020725 [Jul 25 2002] Copyright (C) 2000 - 2002 Intel Corporation Supports ACPI Specification Revision 2.0a dsdt.asl-new 1: Error 1037 - ^ parse error, expecting `error' or `PARSEOP_DEFINITIONBLOCK' ASL Input: dsdt.asl-new - 1 lines, 4 bytes, 0 keywords AML Output: dsdt.aml - 0 bytes 0 named objects 0 executable opcodes Compilation complete. 1 Errors 0 Warnings The top of the dsdt.asl I get is: RSDP "COMPAQ" @ 0x000f9970 0000: 52 53 44 20 50 54 52 20 82 43 4f 4d 50 41 51 00 RSD PTR .COMPAQ. 0010: 84 0c ff 0f .... RSDT @ 0x0fff0c84 0000: 52 53 44 54 30 00 00 00 01 08 43 4f 4d 50 41 51 RSDT0.....COMPAQ 0010: 43 50 51 30 30 34 41 20 20 02 05 31 43 50 51 20 CPQ004A ..1CPQ 0020: 01 00 00 00 00 0c ff 0f c3 64 ff 0f d1 65 ff 0f .........d...e.. FACP @ 0x0fff0c00 0000: 46 41 43 50 84 00 00 00 02 42 43 4f 4d 50 41 51 FACP.....BCOMPAQ 0010: 43 50 51 30 30 34 41 20 02 00 00 00 43 50 51 20 CPQ004A ....CPQ 0020: 01 00 00 00 80 be ff 0f b4 0c ff 0f 00 00 09 00 ................ 0030: b2 00 00 00 f1 f0 00 80 00 10 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................ 0040: 04 10 00 00 00 00 00 00 20 10 00 00 08 10 00 00 ........ ....... 0050: 28 10 00 00 2c 10 00 00 04 02 01 04 04 04 10 00 (...,........... 0060: 02 00 55 00 00 00 00 00 01 03 0d 00 32 03 00 00 ..U.........2... 0070: a5 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................ 0080: 00 00 00 00 .... DSDT @ 0x0fff0cb4 0000: 44 53 44 54 0f 58 00 00 01 45 43 4f 4d 50 41 51 DSDT.X...ECOMPAQ 0010: 45 56 4f 4e 38 30 30 00 00 00 01 00 4d 53 46 54 EVON800.....MSFT 0020: 0d 00 00 01 5b 83 33 5c 2e 5f 50 52 5f 43 30 30 ....[.3\._PR_C00 0030: 30 01 10 10 00 00 06 14 21 5f 43 53 54 00 a0 13 0.......!_CST... 0040: 93 5c 2e 5f 53 42 5f 43 30 30 31 0a 00 a4 43 30 .\._SB_C001...C0 ... Is this the wrong format from acpidmp? >> Software suspend seems to work well... Sourav> It was working well until I fixed my DSDT! Are you using the acpi-swspend patch? I am using the patch-acpi-acpi20020726-swsusp11.gz patch. >> The DRI patch seems to work great on it as well, so it can chvt >> away from X, echo 4 > /proc/acpi/sleep and suspend, and comes back >> ok. Great work on that! Sourav> Interesting that you have a /proc/acpi/sleep entry; I don't. Sourav> I've been using "echo -n '1 0 0' > /proc/sys/kernel/swsusp". Sourav> It just occurs to me that I should turn on the debugging bits Sourav> and see if I can understand what's wrong ... yeah, I think thats due to the acpi-swspend patch? >> With the default acpi-20020726 I get temp readings, but it says ac >> is always on, and battery doesn't give any info at all. Sourav> This should be repaired once you tweak the DSDT. ok. Sourav> Please report back how it goes -- I'm using the 20020709 Sourav> series of patches on kernel 2.4.18, so if everything works out Sourav> for you I might upgrade to 20020726. ok. Sourav> Sourav kevin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.6 and Gnu Privacy Guard <http://www.gnupg.org/> iD8DBQE9SC9U3imCezTjY0ERAkMMAJ0fiBIsRCmE8Q8Og+y1DfG0F5KijgCggyuA Ft+Lz/ojPwbX+tYu2ZTWGCY= =W7qf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
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* Re: Re: Compaq Presario 2800T [not found] ` <20020731184124.316.qmail-+bl/7iUgRMUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> @ 2002-07-31 18:48 ` Sourav K Mandal 0 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Sourav K Mandal @ 2002-07-31 18:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Kevin Fenzi; +Cc: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f > well, I did that, but then iasl gives me: > > iasl-linux-20020725/iasl -tc -bb -i dsdt.asl-new [...] > Is this the wrong format from acpidmp? Woah, I think you made the same mistake I did -- the utility you're using gives a hex dump rather than ASL. Use this utility: http://people.freebsd.org/~takawata/pacpidump.tar.gz > Are you using the acpi-swspend patch? I am using the > patch-acpi-acpi20020726-swsusp11.gz patch. Yes -- but rev. swsusp9 versus acpi-20020709. I will upgrade both. > >> The DRI patch seems to work great on it as well, so it can chvt > >> away from X, echo 4 > /proc/acpi/sleep and suspend, and comes back > >> ok. Great work on that! Cool -- I'll try it out once I get the resume issue resolved. Sourav ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading online job board for high-tech professionals. Search and apply for tech jobs today! http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
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