RE: Presario DANGER

RE: Presario DANGER

[ruud koendering]

All the Compaq Presario's are in danger without ACPI. This is confirmed by new 
HP. (They d'ont feel to be responcible as always in certain companies. Make 
something, sell it and then so0rry c'ant help you)

When will companies like Suse, RedHat, Mandrake etc. do something about it?

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Re: RE: Presario DANGER

[Markus Gaugusch]

On Nov 4, ruud koendering <ruud.koendering-EIBgga6/0yRmR6Xm/wNWPw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> All the Compaq Presario's are in danger without ACPI. This is confirmed
> by new HP. (They d'ont feel to be responcible as always in certain
> companies. Make something, sell it and then so0rry c'ant help you)
>
> When will companies like Suse, RedHat, Mandrake etc. do something about
> it?
SuSE delivers 8.1 with acpi 2002-08-29
But everything is built as module and not loaded by default :-(
(especially processor.o, which is really sad)

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Re: RE: Presario DANGER

[Alan Cox]

On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 10:30, ruud koendering wrote:
> All the Compaq Presario's are in danger without ACPI. This is confirmed by new 
> HP. (They d'ont feel to be responcible as always in certain companies. Make 
> something, sell it and then so0rry c'ant help you)

That means you cannot even run DOS on that laptop or any software which
disables interrupts for a long time thus stopping ACPI running. It also
means it is not a PC compatible system. So its not even safe to boot
your old PC games on, not even Doom

I'm under the impression ACPI requires proper thermal protection too.
I'd have to go and read the specification again.

You can expect companies to ship ACPI when it works well enough. Right
now even the newest 2.5.4x code crashes on boot on some systems (eg IBM
TP600) but its getting a lot lot better. The more people try it and the
more they report problems the quicker it gets fixed




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Re: RE: Presario DANGER

[Ruud Koendering]

On Monday 04 November 2002 11:30 am, ruud koendering wrote:
> All the Compaq Presario's are in danger without ACPI. This is confirmed by
> new HP. (They d'ont feel to be responcible as always in certain companies.
> Make something, sell it and then so0rry c'ant help you)
>
> When will companies like Suse, RedHat, Mandrake etc. do something about it?


Alan Cox wrote:

On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 10:30, ruud koendering wrote:
> All the Compaq Presario's are in danger without ACPI. This is confirmed by 
new 
> HP. (They d'ont feel to be responcible as always in certain companies. Make 
> something, sell it and then so0rry c'ant help you)

That means you cannot even run DOS on that laptop or any software which
disables interrupts for a long time thus stopping ACPI running. It also
means it is not a PC compatible system. So its not even safe to boot
your old PC games on, not even Doom

I'm under the impression ACPI requires proper thermal protection too.
I'd have to go and read the specification again.

You can expect companies to ship ACPI when it works well enough. Right
now even the newest 2.5.4x code crashes on boot on some systems (eg IBM
TP600) but its getting a lot lot better. The more people try it and the
more they report problems the quicker it gets fixed

Markus Gaugusch wrote:

On Nov 4, ruud koendering <ruud.koendering-EIBgga6/0yRmR6Xm/wNWPw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> All the Compaq Presario's are in danger without ACPI. This is confirmed
> by new HP. (They d'ont feel to be responcible as always in certain
> companies. Make something, sell it and then so0rry c'ant help you)
>
> When will companies like Suse, RedHat, Mandrake etc. do something about
> it?
SuSE delivers 8.1 with acpi 2002-08-29
But everything is built as module and not loaded by default :-(
(especially processor.o, which is really sad)

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Alan Cox wrote again:

On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 10:30, ruud koendering wrote:
> All the Compaq Presario's are in danger without ACPI. This is confirmed by 
new 
> HP. (They d'ont feel to be responcible as always in certain companies. Make 
> something, sell it and then so0rry c'ant help you)

That means you cannot even run DOS on that laptop or any software which
disables interrupts for a long time thus stopping ACPI running. It also
means it is not a PC compatible system. So its not even safe to boot
your old PC games on, not even Doom

I'm under the impression ACPI requires proper thermal protection too.
I'd have to go and read the specification again.

You can expect companies to ship ACPI when it works well enough. Right
now even the newest 2.5.4x code crashes on boot on some systems (eg IBM
TP600) but its getting a lot lot better. The more people try it and the
more they report problems the quicker it gets fixed

Sergio Monteiro Basto wrote:

Citando ruud koendering <ruud.koendering-EIBgga6/0yRmR6Xm/wNWPw@public.gmane.org>:

} All the Compaq Presario's are in danger without ACPI.
} This is confirmed by new 
} HP. (They d'ont feel to be responcible as always in
} certain companies. Make 
} something, sell it and then so0rry c'ant help you)
} 
} When will companies like Suse, RedHat, Mandrake etc.
} do something about it?

I really don't know if is correct  what I am about to say.
but in case of some broken thermal for compaq pressario, on
overheat  the computer turn off automatically (for Compaqs, not
HPs). This have been report for some strange Compaq pressario
7xx models. 
But just in case of one broken thermal module, we have overheat. 
In this case its better doesn't use ACPI and fan will work always ?

I really don't know if is correct  what I had write.

I MUST SAY: NICE ANSWERS, THEY REALLY SOLVE MY PROBLEM.

I OWN A PRESARIO 7XX SUPPLIED BY THE NEW HP. COMPAQ IS NO LONGER = ONLY A 
PRODUCT NAME NOT A COMPANY ANYMORE.

I BELIEVE THAT IF MORE PEOPLE TEST ACPI AND ACPI CAN BE SET AS RPM's ON THE 
WEBSIOTE MORE PEOPLE CAN WORK WITH IT.

MABY A GOOD DESCRIPTION FOR PEOPLE NOT AWARE OF THE INTERNAL WORKINGS!

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Netherlands
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Re: RE: Presario DANGER

[Ducrot Bruno]

On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 06:40:58PM +0100, Ruud Koendering wrote:
> On Monday 04 November 2002 11:30 am, ruud koendering wrote:
> > All the Compaq Presario's are in danger without ACPI. This is confirmed by
> > new HP. (They d'ont feel to be responcible as always in certain companies.
> > Make something, sell it and then so0rry c'ant help you)
> >

...

> 
> I really don't know if is correct  what I had write.
> 
> I MUST SAY: NICE ANSWERS, THEY REALLY SOLVE MY PROBLEM.
> 
> I OWN A PRESARIO 7XX SUPPLIED BY THE NEW HP. COMPAQ IS NO LONGER = ONLY A 
> PRODUCT NAME NOT A COMPANY ANYMORE.
> 
> I BELIEVE THAT IF MORE PEOPLE TEST ACPI AND ACPI CAN BE SET AS RPM's ON THE 
> WEBSIOTE MORE PEOPLE CAN WORK WITH IT.
> 
> MABY A GOOD DESCRIPTION FOR PEOPLE NOT AWARE OF THE INTERNAL WORKINGS!

Please don't cry.

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RE: RE: Presario DANGER

[Cagle, John (ISS-Houston)]

Ruud,

I don't think this is correct.  Your Presario is not going to
burn up because you don't use ACPI.  I'm almost certain that
the laptops have temperature sensing circuitry that will trip
when the processor reaches a critical temperature, allowing the
laptop to poweroff before any damage can occur.

Of course, using ACPI will give you more graceful control of
this situation.  If you have received any communication from HP
to the contrary, please forward it to me and I will investigate.

Regards,
John

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   Industry Standard Servers
    Hewlett-Packard Company
    http://www.hp.com/linux

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ruud koendering [mailto:ruud.koendering-EIBgga6/0yRmR6Xm/wNWPw@public.gmane.org] 
> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 4:31 AM
> To: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org
> Subject: [ACPI] RE: Presario DANGER
> 
> All the Compaq Presario's are in danger without ACPI. This is 
> confirmed by new 
> HP. (They d'ont feel to be responcible as always in certain 
> companies. Make 
> something, sell it and then so0rry c'ant help you)
> 
> When will companies like Suse, RedHat, Mandrake etc. do 
> something about it?
> 
> -- 
> regards,							
> RedHat7.3
> Ruud koendering						
> Mandrake9.0
> Sr. Program/Project/Interim manager
> De Wickelaan 11
> 2265 DG Leidschendam
> Netherlands
> Phone:+31(0)703271506
>           +31(0)641372381
> E-mail:ruud.koendering-EIBgga6/0yRmR6Xm/wNWPw@public.gmane.org


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Re: RE: Presario DANGER

[Pavel Machek]

Hi!

> All the Compaq Presario's are in danger without ACPI. This is confirmed by new 

Do you have some details?

If they are in danger, they are not ACPI compliant, because ACPI
states machine must actually power off on overheat.
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Re: RE: Presario DANGER

[Pavel Machek]

Hi!

> > All the Compaq Presario's are in danger without ACPI. This is confirmed by new 
> > HP. (They d'ont feel to be responcible as always in certain companies. Make 
> > something, sell it and then so0rry c'ant help you)
> 
> That means you cannot even run DOS on that laptop or any software which
> disables interrupts for a long time thus stopping ACPI running. It also
> means it is not a PC compatible system. So its not even safe to boot
> your old PC games on, not even Doom
> 
> I'm under the impression ACPI requires proper thermal protection
> too.

Its there:

When the heat reaches the temperature indicated by _CRT, the OS must
immediately shutdown the system.
The system must disable the power either after the temperature reaches
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
some hardware-determined level above
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
_CRT or after a predetermined time has passed. Before disabling power,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
platform designers should incorporate
some time that allows the OS to run its critical shutdown
operation. There is no requirement for a minimum
shutdown operation window that commences immediately after the
temperature reaches _CRT.  This is
because
*  Heat might rise rapidly in some systems and slower on others,
depending on casing design and
    environmental factors.
*  Shutdown can take several minutes on a server and only a few short
seconds on a hand-held device.
Because of this indistinct discrepancy and the fact that a critical
heat situation is a remarkably rare occurrence,
ACPI does not specify a target window for a safe shutdown. It is
entirely up to the OEM to build in a safe
buffer that it sees fit for the target platform.


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