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From: NoZizzing OrDripping <nozizzingordripping-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel-+ZI9xUNit7I@public.gmane.org>,
	"Moore,
	Robert" <robert.moore-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: 'Herbert Nachtnebel'
	<Herbert.Nachtnebel-8zxNtbQCHXIjuwv8T7myQQ@public.gmane.org>,
	NoZizzing OrDripping
	<nozizzingordripping-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
	"Therien,
	Guy" <guy.therien-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	"Grover,
	Andrew" <andrew.grover-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add CONFIG_ACPI_RELAXED_AML option
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 06:34:10 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021216143410.21977.qmail@web14502.mail.yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20021215205944.GA6330-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>


--- Pavel Machek <pavel-+ZI9xUNit7I@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Hi!
> > What is really being proposed here is for Linux
> ACPI to be bug-for-bug
> > compatible with Microsoft.  This is impossible to
> do deterministically
> > because the MS interpreter is closed source.  The
> only standard that we have
> > that we can code to is the ACPI specification, and
> this has to be the last
> > word on the matter.
> 
> Okay, but we can try. We can for example ignore
> '*PNP101' and
> understand it as 'PNP101', with printk("Star is not
> valid character in
> device name"), which is way more helpufull than
> /proc/battery does not
> exist.
> 
> I believe CONFIG_ACPI_RELAXED_AML is good idea.
> 								Pavel

The opinions on this are going to break down along the
lines of who has working AML, and who doesn't, with
the tie-breaker going to the distro that wants to
have as many satisfied "customers" as possible.  Right
now, that distro is XP :-(

Anyway, I did a tightened up CONFIG_RELAXED_AML_PATCH
that restricts the slopiness along the lines that Alan
suggested, and also outputs a one-time warning for
any region access violation.

However, a more general implementation would provide
either a global nagged_already bit, or better yet
a per-object nagged_already bit. Or for the most
pedantic, per-object and per-violation-type
nagged_already bits.

Its nasty ugliness, no doubt, but I think that while
strict conformance to standards is a lofty goal, a
loftier goal is for mere mortals to be able to
install Linux on the most popular laptops.

BTW, Best Buy had the Toshiba Satellite 1115-S103 on
sale for only $500 USD yesterday (after $600 in
rebates and markdowns!).  The new bar has been set,
and these
sub-$1000 laptops with buggy AML are going to continue
to profilerate.

If we could agree to add the mechanism, then people
could contribute additional workarounds. It would
still be a controllable feature, turned on only if
desired.

-Rick
rickr-EySxSuIQeMUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-12-16 14:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-12-13 16:22 [PATCH] Add CONFIG_ACPI_RELAXED_AML option Moore, Robert
     [not found] ` <B9ECACBD6885D5119ADC00508B68C1EA0D19B9AB-LkGsggTGxVmSsB6bSF6DdVDQ4js95KgL@public.gmane.org>
2002-12-13 17:18   ` Carlos Morgado
     [not found]     ` <20021213171815.GS5382-V9yvzcrGID8XxY44YfPCZCanxOoIfzq+@public.gmane.org>
2002-12-13 18:14       ` Matthew Tippett
2002-12-13 19:52         ` Craig Whitmore
     [not found]           ` <01ac01c2a2e8$67571d70$3746028e@bio.dfo.ca>
     [not found]             ` <001901c2a2f7$1f2eae50$0100000a@lennon>
2002-12-16 13:06               ` Derek Broughton
2002-12-13 18:15       ` Ducrot Bruno
2002-12-15 20:59   ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]     ` <20021215205944.GA6330-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2002-12-16 14:34       ` NoZizzing OrDripping [this message]
     [not found]         ` <20021216143410.21977.qmail-wdi6g2619JCA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org>
2002-12-16 16:19           ` Alan Cox
     [not found]             ` <1040055593.13786.56.camel-MMxVpc8zpTQVh3rx8e9g/fyykp6/JSeS3vcXtXqGYxw@public.gmane.org>
2002-12-16 16:05               ` Andrew Kohlsmith
2002-12-16 16:22           ` Carlos Morgado
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-12-13 22:31 Grover, Andrew
2002-12-13 10:55 Herbert Nachtnebel
2002-12-13  4:48 NoZizzing OrDripping

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