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From: Pavel Machek <pavel-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Patrick Mochel <mochel-3NddpPZAyC0@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Karol Kozimor <sziwan-DETuoxkZsSqrDJvtcaxF/A@public.gmane.org>,
	Ducrot Bruno <ducrot-kk6yZipjEM5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
	Alan Hourihane
	<alanh-ASBjxr/nLg+TY6FTCsQk+9Bc4/FLrbF6@public.gmane.org>,
	acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Hardware state saving & X
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:13:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031015191312.GA982@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0310150924400.953-100000-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>

Hi!

> > > Well, it depends on what X (and in general userspace) needs to know on a 
> > > power-state transition. Alan, how does/will X behave differently for each 
> > > power state that we can enter? 
> > 
> > Different scripts should run on apm -s (BIOS saves most of hw state)
> > and S3 (we have to save most of hw state).
> 
> The fact that different behavior exists is completely obvious (refer to 
> the question and documentation). The question was *how* it was different 
> from a userpsace perspective. I.e. what exactly is saved, and what isn't. 
> 
> Under APM, the BIOS handles the state transition, but it does not know 
> each device initimately, so the OS still has to handle some of the device 
> state. 

I guess you answered yourself ;-). X is hardware driver. On some
machines, video is handled by bios during apm -s. That's not the case
during S3. Therefore X wants to know if it should do hardware saving
or not.

[Of course, X might want to save allways (simulated console switch).]

> Video devices have an int10 call to save/restore state, which is what the 
> APM BIOS uses.

Could you elaborate? I'm not aware of int10 call doing that... That
would solve S3 video problems, right? I was told that we can't call
int10 at all from real mode because pci might not yet be intialized
during acpi_wakeup.S; but it works on machines I have here.

								Pavel
-- 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-10-15 19:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-09-30 16:59 Applications & ACPI events Alan Hourihane
     [not found] ` <20030930165926.GH1921-ASBjxr/nLg+TY6FTCsQk+9Bc4/FLrbF6@public.gmane.org>
2003-09-30 17:36   ` Ducrot Bruno
     [not found]     ` <20030930173646.GF11391-kk6yZipjEM5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-03 19:38       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]         ` <20031003193814.GE205-u08AdweFZfgxtPtxi4kahqVXKuFTiq87@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-06 12:49           ` Ducrot Bruno
     [not found]             ` <20031006124935.GQ11391-kk6yZipjEM5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-06 13:05               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                 ` <20031006130533.GA311-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-08 10:27                   ` Ducrot Bruno
     [not found]                     ` <20031008102745.GF11391-kk6yZipjEM5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-08 19:16                       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                         ` <20031008191610.GB1035-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-08 21:53                           ` Alan Hourihane
     [not found]                             ` <20031008215342.GE1920-ASBjxr/nLg+TY6FTCsQk+9Bc4/FLrbF6@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-08 21:58                               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                 ` <20031008215850.GF1238-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-09 12:36                                   ` Karol Kozimor
     [not found]                                     ` <20031009123620.GD13739-DETuoxkZsSqrDJvtcaxF/A@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-09 21:32                                       ` Applications & ACPI eventse Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                         ` <20031009213245.GB365-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-09 23:56                                           ` Karol Kozimor
     [not found]                                             ` <20031009235607.GA13514-DETuoxkZsSqrDJvtcaxF/A@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-10  7:12                                               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                                 ` <20031010071231.GA285-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-10 11:19                                                   ` Karol Kozimor
     [not found]                                                     ` <20031010111934.GA10620-DETuoxkZsSqrDJvtcaxF/A@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-10 12:37                                                       ` Bas Mevissen
     [not found]                                                         ` <3F86A7F7.6090406-Y9IUUvl1dgU0Iwp8Nzs06g@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-10 13:17                                                           ` Karol Kozimor
     [not found]                                                             ` <20031010131739.GA24389-DETuoxkZsSqrDJvtcaxF/A@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-10 13:57                                                               ` Bas Mevissen
2003-10-10  7:43                                               ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-09 14:06                                   ` Applications & ACPI events Alan Hourihane
     [not found]                                     ` <20031009140648.GH1922-ASBjxr/nLg+TY6FTCsQk+9Bc4/FLrbF6@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-09 21:35                                       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                         ` <20031009213504.GC365-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-13 13:10                                           ` Ducrot Bruno
     [not found]                                             ` <20031013131022.GN11391-kk6yZipjEM5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-13 13:38                                               ` Karol Kozimor
     [not found]                                                 ` <20031013133837.GA9178-DETuoxkZsSqrDJvtcaxF/A@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-13 15:28                                                   ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                                     ` <20031013152807.GD15441-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-13 16:14                                                       ` Karol Kozimor
     [not found]                                                         ` <20031013161445.GA32511-DETuoxkZsSqrDJvtcaxF/A@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-13 16:19                                                           ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                                             ` <20031013161937.GF15441-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-13 17:01                                                               ` Karol Kozimor
     [not found]                                                                 ` <20031013170119.GB18363-DETuoxkZsSqrDJvtcaxF/A@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-13 17:05                                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-13 17:09                                                   ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                                                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0310130958540.17450-100000-L1xM/EEGAB4@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-13 17:17                                                       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                                         ` <20031013171704.GH15441-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-13 18:59                                                           ` Karol Kozimor
     [not found]                                                             ` <20031013185914.GB1958-DETuoxkZsSqrDJvtcaxF/A@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-13 19:08                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-14 23:04                                                           ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                                                             ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0310141556320.803-100000-L1xM/EEGAB4@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-14 23:45                                                               ` Alan Hourihane
     [not found]                                                                 ` <20031014234538.GD1918-ASBjxr/nLg+TY6FTCsQk+9Bc4/FLrbF6@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-14 23:55                                                                   ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                                                     ` <20031014235550.GE20789-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-15  0:01                                                                       ` Karol Kozimor
2003-10-15 16:20                                                                   ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                                                                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0310150907450.953-100000-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-15 17:07                                                                       ` Alan Hourihane
2003-10-14 23:52                                                               ` Hardware state saving & X Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                                                 ` <20031014235240.GD20789-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-15 16:32                                                                   ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                                                                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0310150924400.953-100000-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-15 19:13                                                                       ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2003-10-16  0:10                                                                       ` Alan Hourihane
     [not found]                                                                         ` <20031016001001.GH1921-ASBjxr/nLg+TY6FTCsQk+9Bc4/FLrbF6@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-16 15:38                                                                           ` Patrick Mochel
2003-10-13 15:26                                               ` Applications & ACPI events Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                                 ` <20031013152637.GC15441-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-13 16:21                                                   ` Ducrot Bruno

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