* ACPI status in 2.4 tree
@ 2003-11-19 12:52 wwp
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From: wwp @ 2003-11-19 12:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f
Hi ACPI guyz,
are 2.4's release candidates sync'ed w/ ACPI?
IOW, if I get 2.4.23-rc2, will it include the latest ACPI code from acpi.sf.net
(except the test patches) or will I have to get'n'apply a patch?
TIA,
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* Re: ACPI status in 2.4 tree [not found] ` <20031119135203.373043b0.subscript-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org> @ 2003-11-19 14:29 ` Ducrot Bruno [not found] ` <20031119142918.GF32464-kk6yZipjEM5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Ducrot Bruno @ 2003-11-19 14:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: wwp; +Cc: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 01:52:03PM +0100, wwp wrote: > Hi ACPI guyz, > > > are 2.4's release candidates sync'ed w/ ACPI? > IOW, if I get 2.4.23-rc2, will it include the latest ACPI code from acpi.sf.net > (except the test patches) or will I have to get'n'apply a patch? > Why not just looking in the log? at ? >From ftp.kernel.org:/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/testing/patch-2.4.23.log Summary of changes from v2.4.23-rc1 to v2.4.23-rc2 ============================================ <atul.mukker:lsil.com>: o [scsi megaraid2] fix DMA sync to use correct S/G list pointer ... ... <len.brown:intel.com>: o [ACPI] fix CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_ACPI config (Xose Vazquez Perez) o [ACPI] If ACPI is disabled by DMI BIOS date, then turn it off completely, including table parsing for HT. o [ACPI] In ACPI mode, delay print_IO_APIC() to make its output valid ... ... Cheers, -- Ducrot Bruno -- Which is worse: ignorance or apathy? -- Don't know. Don't care. ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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* Re: ACPI status in 2.4 tree [not found] ` <20031119142918.GF32464-kk6yZipjEM5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> @ 2003-11-19 14:43 ` wwp 2003-11-19 15:12 ` Luca Capello 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: wwp @ 2003-11-19 14:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f Hi Ducrot Bruno, On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:29:18 +0100 Ducrot Bruno <ducrot-kk6yZipjEM5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 01:52:03PM +0100, wwp wrote: > > Hi ACPI guyz, > > > > > > are 2.4's release candidates sync'ed w/ ACPI? > > IOW, if I get 2.4.23-rc2, will it include the latest ACPI code from acpi.sf.net > > (except the test patches) or will I have to get'n'apply a patch? > > > > Why not just looking in the log? at ? > From ftp.kernel.org:/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/testing/patch-2.4.23.log That's exactly what I did (and I use to), but I did't know if the [ACPI] prefix implies that it's a sync' between acpi.sf.net project and Linux kernel or a simple ACPI stuff merged to Linux. That's why I was asking :-\. Regards, -- wwp ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: ACPI status in 2.4 tree [not found] ` <20031119142918.GF32464-kk6yZipjEM5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> 2003-11-19 14:43 ` wwp @ 2003-11-19 15:12 ` Luca Capello [not found] ` <3FBB8840.1090306-wlebWZzHoyE@public.gmane.org> 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Luca Capello @ 2003-11-19 15:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ML ACPI-devel -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, on 11/19/03 15:29, Ducrot Bruno wrote: | Why not just looking in the log? at ? |>From ftp.kernel.org:/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/testing/patch-2.4.23.log it's not simpler look at ACPI patches release section? http://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/lenb/acpi/patches/release/ Thx, bye, Gismo / Luca -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Debian - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/u4g/VAp7Xm10JmkRAlylAJ9VvBay1U15dzTnTu7rHlNo4/lR0gCfePnw 10PY0IzOxYoxYG+Als/CxgM= =ipzQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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* Re: ACPI status in 2.4 tree [not found] ` <3FBB8840.1090306-wlebWZzHoyE@public.gmane.org> @ 2003-11-19 15:46 ` wwp [not found] ` <20031119164638.628287da.subscript-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: wwp @ 2003-11-19 15:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f Hi Luca Capello, On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:12:00 +0100 Luca Capello <luca-wlebWZzHoyE@public.gmane.org> wrote: > on 11/19/03 15:29, Ducrot Bruno wrote: > | Why not just looking in the log? at ? > |>From ftp.kernel.org:/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/testing/patch-2.4.23.log > it's not simpler look at ACPI patches release section? > http://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/lenb/acpi/patches/release/ Yep, that's also what I did. Found patches against 2.4.23-rc1.. and it says nothing about rc2 merging status. How funny that people cannot say "yes" or "no" and prefer sending unclear answers :-\. Regards, -- wwp ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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* Re: ACPI status in 2.4 tree [not found] ` <20031119164638.628287da.subscript-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org> @ 2003-11-19 17:05 ` Matthew Wilcox [not found] ` <20031119170515.GY30485-+pPCBgu9SkPzIGdyhVEDUDl5KyyQGfY2kSSpQ9I8OhVaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org> 2003-11-19 17:24 ` Micha Feigin 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Matthew Wilcox @ 2003-11-19 17:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: wwp; +Cc: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 04:46:38PM +0100, wwp wrote: > How funny that people cannot say "yes" or "no" and prefer sending > unclear answers :-\. They're showing you how to find out for yourself. You should be grateful. -- "It's not Hollywood. War is real, war is primarily not about defeat or victory, it is about death. I've seen thousands and thousands of dead bodies. Do you think I want to have an academic debate on this subject?" -- Robert Fisk ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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* Re: ACPI status in 2.4 tree [not found] ` <20031119170515.GY30485-+pPCBgu9SkPzIGdyhVEDUDl5KyyQGfY2kSSpQ9I8OhVaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org> @ 2003-11-19 18:31 ` wwp [not found] ` <20031119193105.02361704.subscript-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: wwp @ 2003-11-19 18:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f Hi Matthew Wilcox, On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:05:15 +0000 Matthew Wilcox <willy-8fiUuRrzOP0dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 04:46:38PM +0100, wwp wrote: > > How funny that people cannot say "yes" or "no" and prefer sending > > unclear answers :-\. > > They're showing you how to find out for yourself. You should be > grateful. Hum maybe I wasn't clear in my words (sorry English is not my natural language). I meant that I use to look at the download site and the kernel changelog to find the latest ACPI code. My question was not "where to find ACPI patches for kernel X or Y?". I was just wondering in *usually* kernel pre-releases and release candidates were waiting for latest acpi to be merged or if acpi development were not sync'ed but for stable releases. And if more precisely, the ACPI merging shown in rc2's changelogs mean that all the latest ACPI changes were merged to the kernel source (IOW: is is necessary to apply patches over 2.4.23-rc2 to get the latest ACPI stuff). Moreover, in a more educational way, showing books to a dumb guy won't help, neither showing books without teaching how to read :-). Thanx anyway, best regards -- wwp ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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* Re: ACPI status in 2.4 tree [not found] ` <20031119193105.02361704.subscript-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org> @ 2003-11-20 15:18 ` Ducrot Bruno [not found] ` <20031120151828.GJ32464-kk6yZipjEM5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Ducrot Bruno @ 2003-11-20 15:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: wwp; +Cc: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 07:31:05PM +0100, wwp wrote: > Hi Matthew Wilcox, > > > On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:05:15 +0000 Matthew Wilcox <willy-8fiUuRrzOP0dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 04:46:38PM +0100, wwp wrote: > > > How funny that people cannot say "yes" or "no" and prefer sending > > > unclear answers :-\. > > > > They're showing you how to find out for yourself. You should be > > grateful. > > Hum maybe I wasn't clear in my words (sorry English is not my natural > language). I meant that I use to look at the download site and the kernel > changelog to find the latest ACPI code. > > My question was not "where to find ACPI patches for kernel X or Y?". I was just > wondering in *usually* kernel pre-releases and release candidates were waiting > for latest acpi to be merged or if acpi development were not sync'ed but for > stable releases. And if more precisely, the ACPI merging shown in rc2's > changelogs mean that all the latest ACPI changes were merged to the kernel > source (IOW: is is necessary to apply patches over 2.4.23-rc2 to get the > latest ACPI stuff). > Sorry for my unclear answer. RC mean somehow code freeze, so there is good luck that you will have only acpi fix merged. To know what is really integrated in mainstream, you have to take a look for the log. That apply also for other kernel projects as well. I hope I am a little bit more clear now. -- Ducrot Bruno -- Which is worse: ignorance or apathy? -- Don't know. Don't care. ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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* Re: ACPI status in 2.4 tree [not found] ` <20031120151828.GJ32464-kk6yZipjEM5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> @ 2003-11-20 15:43 ` wwp 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: wwp @ 2003-11-20 15:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f Hi Ducrot Bruno, On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:18:28 +0100 Ducrot Bruno <ducrot-kk6yZipjEM5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 07:31:05PM +0100, wwp wrote: > > Hi Matthew Wilcox, > > > > On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:05:15 +0000 Matthew Wilcox <willy-8fiUuRrzOP0dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 04:46:38PM +0100, wwp wrote: > > > > How funny that people cannot say "yes" or "no" and prefer sending > > > > unclear answers :-\. > > > > > > They're showing you how to find out for yourself. You should be > > > grateful. > > > > Hum maybe I wasn't clear in my words (sorry English is not my natural > > language). I meant that I use to look at the download site and the kernel > > changelog to find the latest ACPI code. > > > > My question was not "where to find ACPI patches for kernel X or Y?". I was just > > wondering in *usually* kernel pre-releases and release candidates were waiting > > for latest acpi to be merged or if acpi development were not sync'ed but for > > stable releases. And if more precisely, the ACPI merging shown in rc2's > > changelogs mean that all the latest ACPI changes were merged to the kernel > > source (IOW: is is necessary to apply patches over 2.4.23-rc2 to get the > > latest ACPI stuff). > > Sorry for my unclear answer. RC mean somehow code freeze, so there > is good luck that you will have only acpi fix merged. > To know what is really integrated in mainstream, you have to take a look > for the log. That apply also for other kernel projects as well. > > I hope I am a little bit more clear now. You are. Thanx for the extra (verbose) clarification :-). Regards, -- wwp ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: ACPI status in 2.4 tree [not found] ` <20031119164638.628287da.subscript-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org> 2003-11-19 17:05 ` Matthew Wilcox @ 2003-11-19 17:24 ` Micha Feigin 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Micha Feigin @ 2003-11-19 17:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 04:46:38PM +0100, wwp wrote: > Hi Luca Capello, > > > On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:12:00 +0100 Luca Capello <luca-wlebWZzHoyE@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > on 11/19/03 15:29, Ducrot Bruno wrote: > > | Why not just looking in the log? at ? > > |>From ftp.kernel.org:/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/testing/patch-2.4.23.log > > it's not simpler look at ACPI patches release section? > > http://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/lenb/acpi/patches/release/ > > Yep, that's also what I did. Found patches against 2.4.23-rc1.. and > it says nothing about rc2 merging status. > Tried to apply the rc1 acpi patch against rc2 and got a regect on all items (Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n]) so it seems that rc2 already has that patch included (from my experience up to now the new kernel version always has the acpi patch for the previous one included). > How funny that people cannot say "yes" or "no" and prefer sending > unclear answers :-\. > > > Regards, > > -- > wwp > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. > Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it > help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help > YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ > _______________________________________________ > Acpi-devel mailing list > Acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/acpi-devel > ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* RE: ACPI status in 2.4 tree
@ 2003-11-19 18:09 Brown, Len
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From: Brown, Len @ 2003-11-19 18:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: wwp, acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f
We use BK to merge into the baseline kernel, so as of this morning,
everything in the ACPI release tree
http://linux-acpi.bkbits.net:8080/linux-acpi-release-2.4.23 is also in
marcelo's 2.4 tree http://linux.bkbits.net:8080/linux-2.4 which is where
2.4.23-rc2 comes from.
So the patch on kernel.org is already obsolete, as it has already been
applied to the 2.4.23 baseline.
This is not true for a base release that is frozen, such as 2.4.22
because it stopped accepting patches long ago. So for 2.4.22 (and soon
2.4.23) you'd grab the frozen base release and then apply the ACPI
release patch on top of it to get the latest ACPI changes.
See this README for more info
http://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/lenb/acpi/patches/README.A
CPI
and let me know if there is anything I can do or document that would
clarify the process.
Thanks,
-Len
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> From: acpi-devel-admin-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org
> [mailto:acpi-devel-admin-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of wwp
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 10:47 AM
> To: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org
> Subject: Re: [ACPI] ACPI status in 2.4 tree
>
>
> Hi Luca Capello,
>
>
> On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:12:00 +0100 Luca Capello <luca-wlebWZzHoyE@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> > on 11/19/03 15:29, Ducrot Bruno wrote:
> > | Why not just looking in the log? at ?
> > |>From
> ftp.kernel.org:/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/testing/patch-2.4.23.log
> it's not simpler look at ACPI patches release section?
>
http://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/lenb/acpi/patches/release/
Yep, that's also what I did. Found patches against 2.4.23-rc1.. and
it says nothing about rc2 merging status.
How funny that people cannot say "yes" or "no" and prefer sending
unclear answers :-\.
Regards,
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* Re: ACPI status in 2.4 tree [not found] ` <BF1FE1855350A0479097B3A0D2A80EE00147D1FD-N2PTB0HCzHJF3Yvz3xaN/VDQ4js95KgL@public.gmane.org> @ 2003-11-19 19:50 ` wwp 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: wwp @ 2003-11-19 19:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f Hi Brown, Len, On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:09:15 -0500 "Brown, Len" <len.brown-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > We use BK to merge into the baseline kernel, so as of this morning, > everything in the ACPI release tree > http://linux-acpi.bkbits.net:8080/linux-acpi-release-2.4.23 is also in > marcelo's 2.4 tree http://linux.bkbits.net:8080/linux-2.4 which is where > 2.4.23-rc2 comes from. > > So the patch on kernel.org is already obsolete, as it has already been > applied to the 2.4.23 baseline. > > This is not true for a base release that is frozen, such as 2.4.22 > because it stopped accepting patches long ago. So for 2.4.22 (and soon > 2.4.23) you'd grab the frozen base release and then apply the ACPI > release patch on top of it to get the latest ACPI changes. > > See this README for more info > http://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/lenb/acpi/patches/README.A > CPI > and let me know if there is anything I can do or document that would > clarify the process. Thanx to all people for all those clarification. The more verbose ones are really relevant and helpful. Sorry if some people felt upset w/ my request or if my wish was misunderstood 'cause badly formulated :-\. Regards, -- wwp ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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