Re: Suspend to RAM works, but no wake up. ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M (rev 64) video card

Re: Suspend to RAM works, but no wake up. ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M (rev 64) video card

[Benedek Frank]

Hi

Here is another set of mails, that I sent to the XFree86 mail list, and
this gentleman below advised me to something, that didnt work
unfortunately, but while trying, I realized another thing. It is at the
bottom of this email.

Thanks

Ben

> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005, Benedek Frank wrote:
> 
> > My Sony Vaio laptop has a strange problem. It has the ATI
> > Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M (rev 64) video card, and first of
> > all X was really hard to make work. Only the latest 4.5 works fine
> > with this, and some old ones, like 4.0 or 4.2. My disribution was
> > Sarge Debian, and it has 4.3 by default. That doesnt work at all at
> > 1024x480 resolution. It was all greyish even with the right
> > modeline. ANyways, 4.5 works fine for
> 
> Yes.  Only in 4.5 does the driver correctly grok the mode on server
> entry for  all currently known cases.
> 
> > me. What is the problem, that when I go to suspend with ACPI
> > (S3-RAM), the display wont power off completely, just it gets
> > dimmed, but some text remains on the LCD. For the "untrained" eyes,
> > it seems off, but when I tilt the LCD, I can see it is on and has
> > text on it. Also, it is making a buzzing sound, so it eats battery.
> 
> > What can I do to turn off the display? Maybe I can inegrate the
> > solution to my suspend script, so that it turns the LCD off and then
> > suspends.
> 
> The server currently does not have any ACPI framework.  Assuming
> you're  running Linux, you'll probably need to configure acpid to
> issue `chvt 1` on  S3 events (perhaps S1 & S2 also), and `chvt 7` (or
> whatever) on return to S0.
> 
> A possible alternative is to switch use APM instead, but that's being 
> deprecated.
> 
> Marc.
> 
Hello

Thanks for the help. Unfortunately I dont want to go to use APM as that
is depreciated as you said. 

What you said about the chvt, I was really happy to hear, and I tried,
but it does not work unfortunately. Same as before, buzzing sound and
the display shows writing. (UPDATE: not only writing, but also vertical
lines, about 50 of them, right next to eachother, and horizontal lines,
about 3-4 of them far apart.) But this writing is very hard to see. Not
obvious at all. I realized it after 2 months of using it, so you can see
how dimmed it is. Also, another very interesting thing, that when I open
the lid, and the laptop is still asleep (it needs button press to wake),
as I said, I can see the writing from an angle, but only if I turn the
LCD to the left, or right, and get some sunshine on it, or light. Now,
when I press the button (space usually), it starts to wake up, and the
first moment when I press the button, I think the LCD goes off for a
moment only, and then wakes up. Why I think this? I checked carefuly,
and before I press the space bar, the text is on the display, and when I
press the SPACE bar, it gets erased, and the screen is even darker, but
only for a second or less, and then backlight comes back on.


Another thing to note, is that the text I see on the display looks
something like this:

******************IRQ Something************
*************Stopping tasks................

SOmething like that. And again, when I press the space bar, it goes
away, and finally the screen looks to be off for a moment.

Thanks

Ben


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Suspend to RAM works, but no wake up. ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M (rev 64) video card

[Benedek Frank]

Hi

On my Sony Vaio laptop (PCG-C1VRX/K picturebook) I use kernel 2.6.11. I
am on Debian Sarge. When I suspend, the laptop suspends just fine,
unloads everything it can, what it cannot, I included in the script to
force to unload, and it sleeps very fine when I close the lid. First
issue, it wont wake up when I open the lid, only when I press a button.
Second issue is that it wont come back to live even after button
pressed, except if I give a boot pharameter to GRUB as follows

acpi_sleep=s3_bios

Now my Grub entry looks like this:

title           Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.11 
root            (hd0,1)
kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11 root=/dev/hda2 ro
acpi_sleep=s3_bios initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.11
savedefault
boot

When I use this option, it does wake up when I hit a key. However, while
asleep, the screen isnt completely off. I can hear a buzzing sound,
very soflty, but I can definetally hear it. Also, when I open the
lid, (it wont wake up yet, only on button press) I can see some text on
the screen if I tilt it in the right angle. THe LCD seems off, but it
does has some text on it, so it cannot be off, just dimmed to a maximum.
ANd the buzzing sound gives it also away. I left the machine suspended
at 33% battery yesterday at 2AM, and by 7AM when I woke up, the battery
was dead, and the laptop shut down. Usually 33% gives me 40 mintues of
work time, I think it should have lasted for a 5 hours suspension, no?

Thanks for any help

Benedek


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Re: Suspend to RAM works, but no wake up. ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M (rev 64) video card

[Henrik Brix Andersen]

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On Sun, 2005-06-26 at 09:57 +0200, Benedek Frank wrote:
> When I use this option, it does wake up when I hit a key. However, while
> asleep, the screen isnt completely off. I can hear a buzzing sound,
> very soflty, but I can definetally hear it. Also, when I open the
> lid, (it wont wake up yet, only on button press) I can see some text on
> the screen if I tilt it in the right angle. THe LCD seems off, but it
> does has some text on it, so it cannot be off, just dimmed to a maximum.
> ANd the buzzing sound gives it also away. I left the machine suspended
> at 33% battery yesterday at 2AM, and by 7AM when I woke up, the battery
> was dead, and the laptop shut down. Usually 33% gives me 40 mintues of
> work time, I think it should have lasted for a 5 hours suspension, no?

I have an IBM ThinkPad X31 (2672-XXH), also with a ATI Radeon (ATI
Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY).

While I do not get the high pitched noise, I do see the problem with the
LCD backlight not powering off during S3. I have to use radeontool [1]
to power off the LCD backlight before going into S3 and reverse this
procedure when the laptop wakes up from S3.

Perhaps the in-kernel radeonfb driver could be modified to allow
powering down the LCD backlight before entering S3?

Sincerely,
Brix
[1]: http://fdd.com/software/radeon/
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Re: Suspend to RAM works, but no wake up. ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M (rev 64) video card

[Benedek Frank]

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 10:41:56 +0200
Henrik Brix Andersen <brix-aBrp7R+bbdUdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> On Sun, 2005-06-26 at 09:57 +0200, Benedek Frank wrote:
> > When I use this option, it does wake up when I hit a key. However,
> > while asleep, the screen isnt completely off. I can hear a buzzing
> > sound, very soflty, but I can definetally hear it. Also, when I open
> > the lid, (it wont wake up yet, only on button press) I can see some
> > text on the screen if I tilt it in the right angle. THe LCD seems
> > off, but it does has some text on it, so it cannot be off, just
> > dimmed to a maximum. ANd the buzzing sound gives it also away. I
> > left the machine suspended at 33% battery yesterday at 2AM, and by
> > 7AM when I woke up, the battery was dead, and the laptop shut down.
> > Usually 33% gives me 40 mintues of work time, I think it should have
> > lasted for a 5 hours suspension, no?
> 
> I have an IBM ThinkPad X31 (2672-XXH), also with a ATI Radeon (ATI
> Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY).
> 
> While I do not get the high pitched noise, I do see the problem with
> the LCD backlight not powering off during S3. I have to use radeontool
> [1] to power off the LCD backlight before going into S3 and reverse
> this procedure when the laptop wakes up from S3.
> 
> Perhaps the in-kernel radeonfb driver could be modified to allow
> powering down the LCD backlight before entering S3?
> 
Hi

I am not sure that my card is a radeon. Mine should be a Rage P/M
Mobility, therefore not radeon? I am not an expert. I went ahead and
downloaded the radeon tool. WHen I just pass the command "radeontool" I
get this
vaio:/home/ben# radeontool 
usage: radeontool [options] [command]
         --debug            - show a little debug info
         --skip=1           - use the second radeon card
         dac [on|off]       - power down the external video outputs (on)
         light [on|off]     - power down the backlight (on)
         stretch [on|off|vert|horiz|auto|manual]   - stretching for
resolution mismatch          regs               - show a listing of some
random registers

This shows that light is on. So I pass this command "radeontool light
off" and then rerun "radeontool" as it is, and get this:
vaio:/home/ben# radeontool
usage: radeontool [options] [command]
         --debug            - show a little debug info
         --skip=1           - use the second radeon card
         dac [on|off]       - power down the external video outputs (on)
         light [on|off]     - power down the backlight (off)
         stretch [on|off|vert|horiz|auto|manual]   - stretching for
resolution mismatch          regs               - show a listing of some
random register

THis shows that light is off, but it isnt as I am typing now, and
nothing changed since I ran the radeontool.

When I run the same command with debug I get this "radeontool --debug
light off"

vaio:/home/ben# radeontool --debug light off
0000:00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage
Mobility P/M (rev 64) (prog-if 00 [VGA])        Subsystem: Sony
Corporation: Unknown device 80af        Flags: bus master, stepping,
medium devsel, latency 66, IRQ 9        Memory at fd000000 (32-bit,
non-prefetchable) [size=16M]        I/O ports at 1400 [size=256]
        Memory at fc105000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
Radeon found. Base control address is fc105000.
reading RADEON_LVDS_GEN_CNTL (2d0) is 00e8fd3c
writing RADEON_LVDS_GEN_CNTL (2d0) -> 00e8fd3c

It says that "Radeon found", but nothing changes with my backlight. Can
someone explain?

Thanks

Ben





> Sincerely,
> Brix
> [1]: http://fdd.com/software/radeon/
> -- 
> Henrik Brix Andersen <brix-aBrp7R+bbdUdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
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Re: Suspend to RAM works, but no wake up. ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M (rev 64) video card

[Matthew Garrett]

On Sun, 2005-06-26 at 09:57 +0200, Benedek Frank wrote:

> When I use this option, it does wake up when I hit a key. However, while
> asleep, the screen isnt completely off. I can hear a buzzing sound,
> very soflty, but I can definetally hear it. Also, when I open the
> lid, (it wont wake up yet, only on button press) I can see some text on
> the screen if I tilt it in the right angle. THe LCD seems off, but it
> does has some text on it, so it cannot be off, just dimmed to a maximum.
> ANd the buzzing sound gives it also away. I left the machine suspended
> at 33% battery yesterday at 2AM, and by 7AM when I woke up, the battery
> was dead, and the laptop shut down. Usually 33% gives me 40 mintues of
> work time, I think it should have lasted for a 5 hours suspension, no?

There is no code in the kernel to power down the video chip. This is a
fairly general problem.

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Re: Suspend to RAM works, but no wake up. ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M (rev 64) video card

[Benedek Frank]

On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 02:19:45 +0100
Matthew Garrett <mjg59-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> On Sun, 2005-06-26 at 09:57 +0200, Benedek Frank wrote:
> 
> > When I use this option, it does wake up when I hit a key. However,
> > while asleep, the screen isnt completely off. I can hear a buzzing
> > sound, very soflty, but I can definetally hear it. Also, when I open
> > the lid, (it wont wake up yet, only on button press) I can see some
> > text on the screen if I tilt it in the right angle. THe LCD seems
> > off, but it does has some text on it, so it cannot be off, just
> > dimmed to a maximum. ANd the buzzing sound gives it also away. I
> > left the machine suspended at 33% battery yesterday at 2AM, and by
> > 7AM when I woke up, the battery was dead, and the laptop shut down.
> > Usually 33% gives me 40 mintues of work time, I think it should have
> > lasted for a 5 hours suspension, no?
> 
> There is no code in the kernel to power down the video chip. This is a
> fairly general problem.

Yes, but my Dell 700M powers down with no problem ,I just need a tool to
wake it up. Isnt there a tool to make this ATI Rage Mobility sleep?

Ben
> 
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> 
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Re: Suspend to RAM works, but no wake up. ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M (rev 64) video card

[Matthew Garrett]

On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 07:59 +0200, Benedek Frank wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 02:19:45 +0100
> Matthew Garrett <mjg59-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > There is no code in the kernel to power down the video chip. This is a
> > fairly general problem.
> 
> Yes, but my Dell 700M powers down with no problem ,I just need a tool to
> wake it up. Isnt there a tool to make this ATI Rage Mobility sleep?

The 700M probably has the graphics chip powered down by the BIOS.

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Re: Suspend to RAM works, but no wake up. ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M (rev 64) video card

[Benedek Frank]

On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:28:18 +0100
Matthew Garrett <mjg59-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 07:59 +0200, Benedek Frank wrote:
> > On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 02:19:45 +0100
> > Matthew Garrett <mjg59-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > > There is no code in the kernel to power down the video chip. This
> > > is a fairly general problem.
> > 
> > Yes, but my Dell 700M powers down with no problem ,I just need a
> > tool to wake it up. Isnt there a tool to make this ATI Rage Mobility
> > sleep?
> 
> The 700M probably has the graphics chip powered down by the BIOS.
Can I make my graphic chip power down somehow? I really dont know how it
works, so please forgive me if I am really dumb. I would just like to
conserve the power when suspended.

Thanks

Ben
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Re: Suspend to RAM works, but no wake up. ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M (rev 64) video card

[Matthew Garrett]

On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 17:45 +0200, Benedek Frank wrote:

> Can I make my graphic chip power down somehow? I really dont know how it
> works, so please forgive me if I am really dumb. I would just like to
> conserve the power when suspended.

At the moment? Nope. I'm looking at ways of improving this.
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Re: Suspend to RAM works, but no wake up. ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M (rev 64) video card

[Benedek Frank]

On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:53:22 +0100
Matthew Garrett <mjg59-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 17:45 +0200, Benedek Frank wrote:
> 
> > Can I make my graphic chip power down somehow? I really dont know
> > how it works, so please forgive me if I am really dumb. I would just
> > like to conserve the power when suspended.
> 
> At the moment? Nope. I'm looking at ways of improving this.
> -- 

Thanks, Iwill keep an eye on the mailing list, would you please post it
here, if you have something? Or you may reach me  linux at celifornia
dot com.

Thanks

Ben

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