From: Dmitry Torokhov <dtor-xOqKmqBdiMhF6kxbq+BtvQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
<hmh-N3TV7GIv+o9fyO9Q7EP/yw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-input-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org,
ibm-acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
Richard Hughes
<hughsient-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
linux-acpi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ACPI: thinkpad-acpi: add thinkpad keys to input.h
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 23:16:30 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200705282316.32173.dtor@insightbb.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070527121513.GC19562-ZGHd14iZgfaRjzvQDGKj+xxZW9W5cXbT@public.gmane.org>
On Sunday 27 May 2007 08:15, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Sat, 26 May 2007, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> > On Saturday 26 May 2007 13:31, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> > > Add hotkeys available in almost all ThinkPads manufactured in the last five
> > > years (more than one million machines given the ammount of batteries
> > > recalled) to input.h, and make thinkpad-acpi use those instead of issuing
> > > KEY_UNKNOWN.
> > >
> > > KEY_FN_PAGEDOWN is not ever reported by the ThinkPad firmware due to random
> > > bogon-induced stupidity at IBM some years ago, but it is provided because
> > > it doesn't make sense to define KEY_FN_PAGEUP and not define
> > > KEY_FN_PAGEDOWN at the same time.
> > >
> >
> > I am unconvinced that we need new keycodes. Isn't there a better default
> > keycodes for these keys? You mentioned that fn+f5 controls radio on many
> > thinkpads, why don't you use KEY_WLAN in your keymap?
>
> No can do the KEY-WLAN thing, sorry. I *don't* have a way to know, unless I
> add a model-specific map table to the kernel, and I have been told by
> numerous people to don't even try, unless it is for quirks, etc.
>
Why not? It thinkpad-acpi is a box-specific driver and you could try to
setup proper keymap depending on models. We do that in wistron_btns and
it doers not even need alot of memory (keymaps and dmi data is marked
__initdata and is discarded).
> Really, what are we to do with that input.h scancode map? It *IS* supposed
> to be absolute, i.e. one is not supposed to reuse keys in there if the
> functionality *or* the generic description is not an exact match.
Are there any markings on those keys?
> This is
> extremely clear, and it makes complete sense from the point of view of
> userland: HAL and others can properly assign functions to all scan codes and
> it will be always correct.
>
Are you arguing for KEY_THINKPAD_FN_F1, etc? And it being different from
KEY_ACER_FN_F1? I don't think it is a good idea...
> But then, it is expensive memory-wise, so it is near the current KEY_MAX,
> and people are very, very relutant to add another bit to it.
>
Not really expensive. Right now keys cost 128 bytes per input device,
absolute axis data cost much more. If we really need it we could increase
KEY_MAX.
> This is definately a ridiculous and aggravating situation, that deserves a
> proper fix. If increasing the scancode table cannot be done (why?), it is
> time to stop denying reality, and remove everything after KEY_FN (0x1d0),
> and instead give us a block of KEY_HOSTSPECIFIC_* scancodes, from 0x1d0 to
> at least 0x1ef.
>
> Given the way that scancode table is being used, it is one way or the other.
> Either increase it to KEY_MAX=0x3ff, or do exactly what UNICODE did, give us
> a decently sized block of host-specific scancodes, and shunt the problem to
> userspace to clean up after.
>
In this case I better do nothing and leave everything as KEY_RESERVED and
let userspace load proper keymap for the device.
--
Dmitry
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Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-05-26 17:28 [RFC] thinkpad-acpi input hotkey events Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
[not found] ` <11802004861625-git-send-email-hmh-N3TV7GIv+o9fyO9Q7EP/yw@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-26 17:31 ` [PATCH] ACPI: thinkpad-acpi: register input device Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
[not found] ` <11802006651698-git-send-email-hmh-N3TV7GIv+o9fyO9Q7EP/yw@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-26 17:31 ` [PATCH] ACPI: thinkpad-acpi: add input device support to hotkey subdriver Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-26 17:31 ` [PATCH] ACPI: thinkpad-acpi: allow hotkey to input event map to be modified Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-26 17:31 ` [PATCH] ACPI: thinkpad-acpi: add thinkpad keys to input.h Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-27 3:40 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-27 12:15 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-27 18:10 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
[not found] ` <20070527121513.GC19562-ZGHd14iZgfaRjzvQDGKj+xxZW9W5cXbT@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-29 3:16 ` Dmitry Torokhov [this message]
[not found] ` <200705282316.32173.dtor-xOqKmqBdiMhF6kxbq+BtvQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-29 13:05 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-30 13:57 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-30 14:04 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-05-30 14:18 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-30 14:25 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-05-30 14:31 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-30 14:42 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-05-30 15:07 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-30 15:24 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-30 16:04 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-30 17:24 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-30 20:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-30 23:01 ` [ibm-acpi-devel] " Matthew Garrett
2007-05-31 0:53 ` Making KEY_UNKNOWN really useful to userland Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-31 4:33 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-31 22:28 ` [PATCH] Input: document the proper usage of EV_KEY and KEY_UNKNOWN Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-31 23:33 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-06-01 0:13 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-06-01 0:24 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-06-01 1:29 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-06-01 1:44 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-06-01 2:11 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-06-01 3:33 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-06-01 4:08 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-06-01 4:37 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-06-01 13:13 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-06-01 14:04 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-06-01 14:19 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-06-01 15:06 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-06-01 15:21 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-06-01 14:51 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-06-01 14:19 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-06-20 10:21 ` Helge Hafting
2007-06-06 16:55 ` [PATCH] Input: document the proper usage of EV_KEY and KEY_UNKNOWN (v2) Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-06-29 5:04 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-06-30 18:20 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
[not found] ` <20070531005305.GC6883-ZGHd14iZgfaRjzvQDGKj+xxZW9W5cXbT@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-31 10:37 ` Making KEY_UNKNOWN really useful to userland Richard Hughes
2007-05-31 12:48 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-31 14:37 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-27 3:38 ` [PATCH] ACPI: thinkpad-acpi: allow hotkey to input event map to be modified Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-27 12:03 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-29 3:08 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-29 12:46 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
[not found] ` <20070529124639.GA12935-ZGHd14iZgfaRjzvQDGKj+xxZW9W5cXbT@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-29 12:55 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-29 13:06 ` [ibm-acpi-devel] " Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-27 18:07 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-27 3:35 ` [PATCH] ACPI: thinkpad-acpi: register input device Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-27 11:53 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-26 17:36 ` [RFC] thinkpad-acpi input hotkey events Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
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