From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" Subject: Re: linux-next: Tree for June 13: IO APIC breakage on HP nx6325 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:23:15 +0200 Message-ID: <200806292123.16237.rjw@sisk.pl> References: <20080613232214.394fd6fd.sfr@canb.auug.org.au> <200806291600.29059.rjw@sisk.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from ogre.sisk.pl ([217.79.144.158]:45579 "EHLO ogre.sisk.pl" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752751AbYF2TWC (ORCPT ); Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:22:02 -0400 In-Reply-To: Content-Disposition: inline Sender: linux-acpi-owner@vger.kernel.org List-Id: linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org To: "Maciej W. Rozycki" Cc: Matthew Garrett , Ingo Molnar , Stephen Rothwell , linux-next@vger.kernel.org, LKML , Thomas Gleixner , ACPI Devel Maling List , Len Brown , Andi Kleen On Sunday, 29 of June 2008, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: > On Sun, 29 Jun 2008, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > > > > I believe I removed all the occurences. I am waiting for a proposal of a > > > quirk based on the DSDT ID -- my time is a bit too limited to study the > > > internals of our ACPI code at the moment; sorry about that. I will > > > complement it with a change to remove IRQ0 from I/O APIC tables as > > > promised then; this piece of code I am quite familiar with. > > > > Well, why don't we use the DMI identification as suggested by Matthew? > > Because it checks the wrong property. > > > I think we can safely assume that all of these boxes are broken for now and we > > can use a more fine grained identification in the future, if necessary. > > It is the reverse -- checking the DSDT ID is coarser, matching all the > systems that use the broken firmware. How can you tell which DSDTs are broken until somebody reports them? > With DMI we may face both false positives and false negatives which imply > further maintenance actions. With DSDT matching you're likely to end up breaking systems the users of which have not reported problems. > Please note as proved over the years understanding of these issues seems > to be problematic for people, so the result may be another round of > discussions reinventing the wheel in a couple of years' time or so. > > That's my opinion only though -- if it was to hinder the progress, then I > am not going to persist. Good. > Have you tried to report the issue through the usual manufacturer's > support channels, BTW? My experience with HP indicates that it would have been a loss of time. Apart from this, I've always been against forcing people to upgrade their BIOSes just because we just had a briliant idea that made the kernel stop working on their systems. IMO it's extremely user-unfriendly and plain wrong. Thanks, Rafael