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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Rene Herman <rene.herman@keyaccess.nl>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bjorn.helgaas@hp.com>,
	Jesse Barnes <jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org>,
	Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>, Frans Pop <elendil@planet.nl>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org,
	Adam Belay <abelay@mit.edu>, Avuton Olrich <avuton@gmail.com>,
	Karl Bellve <karl.bellve@umassmed.edu>,
	Willem Riede <wriede@riede.org>,
	Matthew Hall <mhall@mhcomputing.net>,
	Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 2/2] PNP: don't check disabled PCI BARs for conflicts in quirk_system_pci_resources()
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:01:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080930200130.GA23954@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0809301244290.3262@nehalem.linux-foundation.org>


* Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> > so instead of the current hardcoded levels:
> > 
> >   core_initcall(sysctl_init);
> > 
> > we could have natural constructs like:
> > 
> >   initcall_depends_on(sysctl_init, securityfs_init);
> >   initcall_depends_on(sock_init, sysctl_init)
> 
> would be a TOTAL DISASTER, because if you do that, then you are 
> essentially back to the insane situation where people need to know 
> what other parts are enabled.

well, as i mentioned it was and is on the backburner, because we went 
over the same list of problems that you mentioned: harder to read and 
interpret and debug, harder to reproduce boot ordering, etc.

but i'd still like the address the above specific point: it would be 
silly to propagate Kconfig dependencies into the initcall dependencies, 
why do you assume we'd do that?

When PROCFS or PNP is turned off, then their initcall symbols should 
naturally alias to some NOP definition, a function that is immediately 
marked as 'done'. We _already_ have NOP stubs for many initializer 
symbols.

and note:

> > ( More details: we'd have a number of compatibility and convenience
> >   symbols as well - well-known initialization stages for various 
> >   customary phases of bootup.

One convenience symbol would be "memory_done()": to indicate that 
kmalloc() and all the other memory allocators are up and running and 
usable.

	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-09-30 20:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-29 15:53 [patch 0/2] don't check disabled PCI BARs for conflicts with PNP devices Bjorn Helgaas
2008-09-29 15:56 ` [patch 1/2] PCI: add pci_resource_enabled() Bjorn Helgaas
2008-09-29 15:57 ` [patch 2/2] PNP: don't check disabled PCI BARs for conflicts in quirk_system_pci_resources() Bjorn Helgaas
2008-09-29 16:34   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-29 18:31     ` Rene Herman
2008-09-29 19:13       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-30  9:19         ` Rene Herman
2008-09-30 14:48           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-30 15:57             ` Rene Herman
2008-09-30 16:29               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-30 17:10                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-30 17:21                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-30 19:29                     ` Rene Herman
2008-09-30 19:37                       ` Rene Herman
2008-09-30 19:44                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-30 20:48                         ` Rene Herman
2008-09-30 19:38                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-30 19:51                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-30 19:54                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-09-30 20:01                         ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2008-10-01  6:13                         ` Grant Grundler
2008-10-01  8:26                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-06  5:34                             ` Grant Grundler
2008-10-01 15:14                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-10-01 16:21                             ` Yinghai Lu
2008-09-30 20:05                       ` Rolf Eike Beer
2008-10-01  8:52                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-30 18:01                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-30 18:13                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-30 19:51                     ` Rene Herman
2008-09-30 19:16                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-09-30 19:12                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-10-01 20:18                   ` Bjorn Helgaas

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