From: Jean Delvare <khali@linux-fr.org>
To: Matthew Garrett <mjg@redhat.com>
Cc: Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>, Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
Luca Tettamanti <kronos.it@gmail.com>,
Thomas Renninger <trenn@suse.de>,
linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ACPI: add "auto" to acpi_enforce_resources
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:44:34 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090212134434.719d6f7a@hyperion.delvare> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090210140829.GA25397@srcf.ucam.org>
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:08:29 +0000, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 02:57:16PM +0100, Jean Delvare wrote:
>
> > In theory you are, of course, perfectly right. The question is, how do
> > we get there without making people angry because of the regression?
>
> The only thing we can do is add a printk that informs users that passing
> a boot argument will allow them to use the drivers as they used to.
Good point.
> > The same chip can be driven by our native it87 driver, which, on this
> > specific board, provides support for 9 voltages, 3 fans, and 1 working
> > temperature. Do we really have to tell the user to not use the it87
> > driver and instead use the ACPI thermal driver "because that's what the
> > firmware wants"?
>
> It's valid (if dumb) for vendors to design their platforms such that
> enabling ACPI and then not using the thermal code may result in hardware
> damage. We have no way of determining that in advance, so all we can do
> is tell the user that they can pass an argument if they know it's safe
> to do so.
OK, I understand.
> > But I guess there is no way to know what exactly the ACPI thermal zone
> > is doing, except by looking at the DSDT, so this can't be automated?
>
> Correct.
>
> > Is it at least possible to disable the ACPI thermal zone either as a
> > command-line parameter or an internal blacklist?
>
> It's possible, and we could certainly add an argument to do so. However,
> removing support for the kernel use of the thermal zone doesn't prevent
> the firmware from making calls to the thermal code itself. There's no
> real way we can block that.
>
> > One approach that may work is to change the default based on the ACPI
> > implementation year (I think the info is available, right?) We could
> > default to strict for systems with year >= 2009. This may still prevent
> > users from getting the best out of their system, but at least won't
> > cause a regression for users of older systems where the native driver
> > has been used so far. I know it's not an ideal solution, but ACPI
> > implementations aren't ideal either.
>
> The problem with this approach is that we still end up with a large
> number of malfunctioning machines.
Well, that's what we have at the moment and the world didn't end.
Enabling strict checks for a subset of machines is always an
improvement compared to the current situation.
> Really, I don't think there's any way
> to handle this other than defaulting to strict, letting the default be
> changed at run and boot time and printing a message when a driver is
> refused permission to bind. Distributions that want to obtain the
> previous behaviour can change the default back.
Anyway, as I already wrote elsewhere in this thread, I no longer object
to the change you propose. I won't instigate it, but if it happens,
and care is taken to address the foreseeable downfalls, fine with me.
Thanks,
--
Jean Delvare
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-02-12 12:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-01-25 21:05 [PATCH] ACPI: add "auto" to acpi_enforce_resources Luca Tettamanti
2009-01-26 8:37 ` Hans de Goede
2009-01-29 10:30 ` Thomas Renninger
2009-01-29 15:16 ` Luca Tettamanti
2009-01-29 16:29 ` Thomas Renninger
2009-01-29 18:58 ` Hans de Goede
2009-01-29 21:31 ` Jean Delvare
2009-01-30 14:29 ` Thomas Renninger
2009-02-01 21:22 ` Luca Tettamanti
2009-02-02 9:11 ` Jean Delvare
2009-02-02 11:38 ` Luca Tettamanti
2009-02-02 17:22 ` [PATCH 1/2] RFC: ACPI: Interface for ACPI drivers to place quirk code which gets executed early Thomas Renninger
2009-02-02 20:22 ` Luca Tettamanti
2009-02-03 13:08 ` Thomas Renninger
2009-02-03 13:45 ` Luca Tettamanti
2009-02-03 14:19 ` Jean Delvare
2009-02-04 13:37 ` Thomas Renninger
2009-02-02 17:22 ` [PATCH 2/2] RFC: ACPI: Set enforce_resources to strict if a ATK0110 device is found in namespace Thomas Renninger
2009-02-02 20:29 ` Luca Tettamanti
2009-02-02 11:38 ` [PATCH] ACPI: add "auto" to acpi_enforce_resources Thomas Renninger
2009-01-29 21:15 ` Luca Tettamanti
2009-02-04 5:52 ` Len Brown
2009-02-04 6:05 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-04 8:37 ` Hans de Goede
2009-02-04 13:17 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-04 13:26 ` Jean Delvare
2009-02-04 14:20 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-10 13:57 ` Jean Delvare
2009-02-10 14:08 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-10 15:32 ` Hans de Goede
2009-02-10 16:24 ` Jean Delvare
2009-02-27 13:27 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-24 12:39 ` Luca Tettamanti
2009-03-24 13:21 ` Hans de Goede
2009-03-24 13:43 ` Jean Delvare
2009-03-24 14:29 ` Hans de Goede
2009-03-29 20:16 ` Luca Tettamanti
2009-03-29 20:33 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-29 20:55 ` Jean Delvare
2009-03-29 22:01 ` Luca Tettamanti
2009-03-30 7:36 ` Jean Delvare
2009-04-02 22:59 ` Len Brown
2009-04-03 9:40 ` Jean Delvare
2009-02-12 12:44 ` Jean Delvare [this message]
2009-04-02 22:45 ` polling (Re: [PATCH] ACPI: add "auto" to acpi_enforce_resources) Len Brown
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