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From: Thomas Renninger <trenn@suse.de>
To: "Srivatsa S. Bhat" <srivatsa.bhat@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org>,
	Deepthi Dharwar <deepthi@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Linux PM mailing list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	lenb@kernel.org, "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] acpi, cpuidle: Register with cpuidle even if cpu is onlined after boot (beyond maxcpus)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:29:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201206261129.45591.trenn@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4FE88BDE.1050406@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On Monday, June 25, 2012 06:03:42 PM Srivatsa S. Bhat wrote:
> On 06/25/2012 07:23 PM, Thomas Renninger wrote:
> 
> > On Monday, June 25, 2012 01:25:43 PM Srivatsa S. Bhat wrote:
> >>
> >> Daniel Lezcano noticed that after booting with maxcpus=X, if we online the
> >> remaining cpus by writing: echo 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpuY/online, then
> >> for the newly onlined cpus, the cpuidle directory is not found under
> >> /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpuY.
> >>
> >> Partly, the reason for this is that acpi restricts the initialization to cpus
> >> within the maxcpus limit. (See commit 75cbfb9 "ACPI: Do not try to set up acpi
> >> processor stuff on cores exceeding maxcpus="). The maxcpus= kernel parameter is
> >> used to restrict the number of cpus brought up during boot. That doesn't mean
> >> that we should hard restrict the bring up of the remaining cpus later on.
> > 
> > Sorry, but IMO it exaclty does mean that (adding more general lists for
> > further comments).
> > 
> > If you can online more cores than maxcpus= via sysfs, this sounds like a bug.
> > Not the other way around.
> > 
> > Compare with Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt:
> >         maxcpus=        [SMP] Maximum number of processors that an SMP kernel
> >                         should make use of.  maxcpus=n : n >= 0 limits the
> >                         kernel to using 'n' processors.  n=0 is a special case,
> >                         it is equivalent to "nosmp", which also disables
> >                         the IO APIC.
> > 
> > Chances that you run into more problems are high.
> 
> 
> Right, I agree on that. So, IMHO, maxcpus=X doesn't mean that the kernel must and
> should forbid any new cpus from coming online, but in the interest of avoiding
> problems/complications in some obscure paths, I guess it makes sense to avoid
> onlining new cpus beyond maxcpus.

Yep, for such reasons:
   - That nobody realizes this to be useful and makes use of it in a productive
     environment
   - If I see maxcpus=X in a bugreport's dmesg command line,
     I want to be sure that's true.
   - To enforce that things work as documented


Wow, after looking a bit into this I found (Documentation/cpu-hotplug.txt):

maxcpus=n    Restrict boot time cpus to n. Say if you have 4 cpus, using
             maxcpus=2 will only boot 2. You can choose to bring the
             other cpus later online, read FAQ's for more info.

Looks like someone already documented this (IMO broken) behavior.
I didn't find further info in the FAQs.

> In any case, I was just trying to see why the simple removal of the setup_max_cpus
> check in acpi_processor_add() wasn't enough to expose the cpuidle directories under
> the new cpus.. and while debugging that, I came up with this patch. I don't mind
> if this doesn't get picked up.

> Right, the usecase of why somebody would like to online new cpus beyond maxcpus
> doesn't look all that solid anyway. So I am OK with leaving the code as it is now.

In the end this is a debug option, I expect everybody is aware of that.
Yep, let's just leave it...

   Thomas

  reply	other threads:[~2012-06-26  9:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-06-15 15:28 acpi_idle and max_cpus Daniel Lezcano
2012-06-17 20:18 ` Daniel Lezcano
2012-06-18 12:25   ` Deepthi Dharwar
2012-06-18 12:54     ` [linux-pm] " Daniel Lezcano
2012-06-19  6:54       ` Deepthi Dharwar
2012-06-19  7:03         ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-19  7:18           ` Daniel Lezcano
2012-06-19 15:30             ` Thomas Renninger
2012-06-25 11:25             ` [PATCH] acpi, cpuidle: Register with cpuidle even if cpu is onlined after boot (beyond maxcpus) Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-25 13:53               ` Thomas Renninger
2012-06-25 16:03                 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-26  9:29                   ` Thomas Renninger [this message]
2012-06-26  9:41                     ` Daniel Lezcano
2012-06-26  9:58                       ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-26 10:42                         ` Daniel Lezcano
2012-06-26 11:01                           ` Thomas Renninger
2012-06-27  9:07                             ` [PATCH] acpi: intel_idle : break dependency between modules Daniel Lezcano
2012-06-27 13:06                               ` Thomas Renninger
     [not found]                                 ` <201206271506.29034.trenn-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2012-06-28  8:03                                   ` Daniel Lezcano
2012-06-28  8:46                                 ` [PATCH v2] " Daniel Lezcano
2012-06-28 11:24                                   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-28 11:27                                     ` Daniel Lezcano
2012-06-28 11:56                                       ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-28 19:24                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-06-29  8:39                                     ` Daniel Lezcano
2012-06-29 22:27                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-01 19:36                                         ` Daniel Lezcano
2012-06-27 16:16                               ` [PATCH] " Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-28  7:34                                 ` [linux-pm] " Thomas Renninger
2012-06-28 11:23                                   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-26 11:07                           ` [PATCH] acpi, cpuidle: Register with cpuidle even if cpu is onlined after boot (beyond maxcpus) Srivatsa S. Bhat

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