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From: Thomas Renninger <trenn@suse.de>
To: Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>
Cc: hpa@zytor.com, initramfs@vger.kernel.org, robert.moore@intel.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org,
	yinghai@kernel.org, eric.piel@tremplin-utc.net, vojcek@tlen.pl
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] ACPI: Override arbitrary ACPI tables via initrd for debugging
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 08:40:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201209240840.29342.trenn@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <505E8F44.9020208@kernel.org>

On Sunday 23 September 2012 06:25:40 Len Brown wrote:
> > +config ACPI_INITRD_TABLE_OVERRIDE
> > +       bool
> > +       default y
> 
> Do distros in addition to SuSE concur they want to ship this way?
Whether distros ship this in their enterprise, community or just in
a -debug kernel flavor is up to them.
I cannot see why this cannot be enabled by default on all.
That is what the TAINT flag is for...
 
> The last time we tried to make debugging easier we added
> ACPI_CUSTOM_METHOD, which allowed root to over-ride an AML method
> on a running system.  Distro security-minded people were not amused.
Yep and therefore you have to remove this one from the tools for
ACPI debugging you listed.
The issue is/was, that root can inject code at runtime which is then
executed in kernel environment.
Afaik there are "security" provisions or say setups, which do
hide modprobe/insmod and do not allow root to load any kernel drivers 
or similar.
If one can write the kernel or initrd which gets booted, I guess there
are not much security restrictions anymore you could put on this user...
But thanks for the pointer, I'll go and double check with some
security guys.

> thanks,
> -Len Brown, Intel Open Source Technology Center
> 
> ps I noticed your reference to acpidump in the README.
> That reminded me to push it to the kernel source tree.
> Its new home will be tools/power/acpi
This is the one which I tried to/did adjust to acpica headers?
This sounds like a very good idea. I'll adjust the docs.

pss: Can this tool live there as well:
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/trenn/sources/ec/ec_access.c
It's the userspace tool for examining EC values (and changes) via
ec_sys debug driver and a corresponding /sys/kernel/debug/.. file.
It's more ore less doing the same what the old thinkpad_acpi driver
could, but offers this to all machines with an EC device.

    Thomas

  reply	other threads:[~2012-09-24  6:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-21 13:28 Early cpio decoder and ACPI table override via initrd making use of it Thomas Renninger
2012-09-21 13:28 ` [PATCH 1/2] lib: Add early cpio decoder Thomas Renninger
2012-09-21 13:28 ` [PATCH 2/2] ACPI: Override arbitrary ACPI tables via initrd for debugging Thomas Renninger
     [not found]   ` <1348234085-39220-3-git-send-email-trenn-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-21 20:56     ` Yinghai Lu
     [not found]       ` <CAE9FiQX64iRo9QjhEPYtEOhbEweKSmTssQ50VfPznWtHA345CQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-25 14:17         ` Thomas Renninger
2012-09-22 15:16   ` Len Brown
     [not found]     ` <505DD65F.9080203-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-23  1:17       ` Thomas Renninger
     [not found]         ` <201209230317.04050.trenn-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-23  4:25           ` Len Brown
2012-09-24  6:40             ` Thomas Renninger [this message]
2012-09-24  9:21               ` Alan Cox
2012-09-25 15:25                 ` [PATCH] ACPI: Only allow users with CAP_SYS_RAWIO rights to overwrite ACPI funcs at runtime Thomas Renninger
2012-09-24 18:26             ` [PATCH 2/2] ACPI: Override arbitrary ACPI tables via initrd for debugging Matthew Garrett
2012-09-24 20:27     ` H. Peter Anvin
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-08-30  9:29 Early cpio decoder and ACPI table override via initrd making use of it Thomas Renninger
2012-08-30  9:29 ` [PATCH 2/2] ACPI: Override arbitrary ACPI tables via initrd for debugging Thomas Renninger
     [not found]   ` <1346318957-5831-3-git-send-email-trenn-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2012-08-30  9:34     ` Thomas Renninger
2012-07-18 10:36 Early initrd file overwrite and ACPI table override making use of it Thomas Renninger
2012-07-18 10:36 ` [PATCH 2/2] ACPI: Override arbitrary ACPI tables via initrd for debugging Thomas Renninger

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