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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: Aaron Lu <aaron.lu@intel.com>
Cc: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	Aaron Lu <aaron.lwe@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 2/6] scsi: sr: support runtime pm
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 13:47:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201209251347.52407.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120925080133.GA1629@mint-spring.sh.intel.com>

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012, Aaron Lu wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 11:40:18PM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > On Monday, September 24, 2012, Aaron Lu wrote:
> > > On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 02:55:31PM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > > > And I'd add a comment about the next poll.
> > > > 
> > > > This appears somewhat racy, though, because in theory a media may be inserted
> > > > while we are removing power from the device.  Isn't that a problem?
> > > 
> > > Yes, this is a problem.
> > > To avoid this race, I think the following needs to be done:
> > > - For slot type ODD, make it such that user can't insert a disc;
> > > - For tray type ODD, make it such that when user presses the eject
> > >   button, the tray doesn't open.
> > > I'll see if this is possible, thanks for the remind.
> > 
> > OK
> 
> Looks like this is not the right thing to do, if I lock the door user
> will be confused.
> 
> > 
> > > > > The poll runs periodically, until the device is powered off(reflected by
> > > > > the powered_off flag), in which case, the poll will simply return
> > > > > 0 without touching this device.
> > > > 
> > > > Is it useful to poll the device after it has been suspended, but not powered
> > > > off?
> > > 
> > > Yes, it is necessary to poll the device when it has been suspended with
> > > power left. The reason is, we need to check if there is a media change
> > > event happened, and the way to check this is to issue a
> > > GET_EVENT_STATUS_NOTIFICATION comand.
> > > 
> > > Please note that when the drive is not powered off, it will not send us
> > > a notification when its eject button is pressed.
> > 
> > I'm not sure about that, actually.  If it doesn't notify us, that whole thing
> > is inherently racy pretty much beyond fixing, because it is always possible
> > that the user will press the eject button right after we've checked the
> > status last time and right before power removal.  We're going to lose that
> > event, so the user will have to push the button once again in that case.
> 
> I just checked the spec again and tested, when the ODD has power, it
> will also send out notifications on pressing the eject button/inserting
> a disc. So we should be able to capture such a event.

Good!

> > > > > That's correct.
> > > > > AFAIK, user space does not care how often the device is polled, it
> > > > > cares only one thing: when there is a media change event, please let me
> > > > > know(through uevent).
> > > > 
> > > > So that's why we do the polling, right?
> > > 
> > > Yes.
> > 
> > Well, that's difficult.
> > 
> > If the remote wakeup is signaled through a GPE, it should be possible to
> > enable it before we actually put the device into D3cold.  That may allow us
> > to eliminate the races.
> 
> Thanks for the suggestion, I'll update the code.
> 
> I'm thinking of enabling this GPE in sr_suspend once we decided that it
> is ready to be powered off, so the time frame between sr_suspend and
> when the power is actually removed in libata should be taken care of by
> the GPE. If GPE fires, the notification function will request a runtime
> resume of the device. Does this sound OK?

Well, depending on the implementation.  sr_suspend() should be rather
generic, but the ACPI association (including the GPE thing) is specific to ATA.

Thanks,
Rafael

  reply	other threads:[~2012-09-25 11:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-12  8:29 [PATCH v7 0/6] ZPODD patches Aaron Lu
2012-09-12  8:29 ` [PATCH v7 1/6] block: genhd: add an interface to set disk poll interval Aaron Lu
2012-09-20 20:35   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-12  8:29 ` [PATCH v7 2/6] scsi: sr: support runtime pm Aaron Lu
2012-09-20 20:48   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-20 20:54     ` Alan Stern
2012-09-21  1:02     ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-21 20:49       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-24  1:20         ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-24 12:55           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-24 14:52             ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-24 21:40               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-25  8:01                 ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-25 11:47                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2012-09-25 14:20                     ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-25 14:23                       ` Oliver Neukum
2012-09-25 14:46                         ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-25 21:45                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-26  1:03                             ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-26 11:18                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-26 14:52                                 ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-26  7:20                           ` Oliver Neukum
2012-09-27 10:46                   ` Oliver Neukum
2012-09-28  8:20                     ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-12  8:29 ` [PATCH v7 3/6] scsi: sr: support zero power ODD(ZPODD) Aaron Lu
2012-09-20 22:07   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-21  1:39     ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-21 21:02       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-27  9:26         ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-27 14:42           ` Alan Stern
2012-09-27 14:55             ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-27 23:29               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-24 21:55   ` Jeff Garzik
2012-09-12  8:29 ` [PATCH v7 4/6] scsi: pm: add may_power_off flag Aaron Lu
2012-09-12  8:29 ` [PATCH v7 5/6] scsi: sr: use may_power_off Aaron Lu
2012-09-12  8:29 ` [PATCH v7 6/6] libata: acpi: respect may_power_off flag Aaron Lu
2012-09-24 21:55   ` Jeff Garzik
2012-09-19  8:03 ` [PATCH v7 0/6] ZPODD patches Aaron Lu
2012-09-19 12:27   ` James Bottomley
2012-09-19 12:50     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-19 14:19       ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-20 20:00         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-21  5:48           ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-21 21:18             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-22  7:32               ` Oliver Neukum
2012-09-22 11:28                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-22 15:38                   ` Alan Stern
2012-09-22 19:46                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-22 20:23                       ` Alan Stern
2012-09-22 21:48                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-24  2:55               ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-24 13:06                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-24 15:04                   ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-24 21:46                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-25  8:18                       ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-25 11:02                         ` James Bottomley
2012-09-25 13:56                           ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-27  9:43                           ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-19 14:52       ` James Bottomley
2012-09-20 21:46         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-19 13:05     ` Oliver Neukum
2012-09-19 15:19     ` David Woodhouse
2012-09-20  0:34       ` Jack Wang

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