From: Seth Forshee <seth.forshee@canonical.com>
To: Aaron Lu <aaron.lu@intel.com>
Cc: Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>, "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, Ben Jencks <ben@bjencks.net>,
joeyli <jlee@suse.com>, Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ACPI: Disable Windows 8 compatibility for some Lenovo ThinkPads
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 08:00:00 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130402130000.GA12381@thinkpad-t410> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <515AA007.1050305@intel.com>
On Tue, Apr 02, 2013 at 05:08:23PM +0800, Aaron Lu wrote:
> On 04/01/2013 09:03 PM, Seth Forshee wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 09:53:36AM +0800, Aaron Lu wrote:
> >> On 02/12/2013 12:21 AM, Seth Forshee wrote:
> >>> The AML implementation for brightness control on several ThinkPads
> >>> contains a workaround to meet a Windows 8 requirement of 101 brightness
> >>> levels [1]. The implementation is flawed, as only 16 of the brighness
> >>> values reported by _BCL affect a change in brightness. _BCM silently
> >>> discards the rest of the values. Disabling Windows 8 compatibility on
> >>> these machines reverts them to the old behavior, making _BCL only report
> >>> the 16 brightness levels which actually work. Add a quirk to do this
> >>> along with a dmi callback to disable Win8 compatibility.
> >>
> >> If we disable the _BQC(i.e. set cap._BQC=0) for these systems, will the
> >> problem go away? If so, I think perhaps we can put these systems into a
> >> _BQC quirk table and set cap._BQC=0 for them.
> >
> > That helps a little, but we're still left with only 16 of the 101
> > brightness levels causing any change in brightness. The firmware isn't
> > rounding the "bad" values or anything like that; it just silently
> > ignores them.
>
> OK, and if GUI tool like g-s-d decides to go some more steps when
> adjusting backlight level, it may always choose the non-functional
> values. Hmm, doesn't seem to be an usable way then.
Exactly.
> I really wondered, how Windows handled this, it should have the same
> problem, unless they are not using the acpi video interface?
I can only guess.
I think I remember reading that Windows 8 does smooth backlight
transitions, so it may well hit every intermediate brightness value.
Lenovo could also be supplying a driver which rounds values to the
nearest working value or uses some other interface or something else.
> > I submitted a second set of patches [1] which writes all intermediate
> > values between the old and new brightness values and disables _BQC for
> > these machines (empirically rather than using a quirk table), though no
> > one seems to be interested in reviewing them.
>
> Suppose we are at level 100, and the user sets the target level to be
> 20, then we will need to call _BCM 80 times?
Yes. And on machines where _BQC actually returns legitimate values it
will get called 80 times as well. On these Lenovo's we'd quickly
determine that _BQC doesn't work and stop trying to use it however.
Seth
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-04-02 13:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-02-11 16:21 [PATCH] ACPI: Disable Windows 8 compatibility for some Lenovo ThinkPads Seth Forshee
2013-02-11 17:52 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-11 19:06 ` Seth Forshee
2013-02-11 19:09 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-11 19:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-02-12 3:05 ` Seth Forshee
2013-02-13 20:32 ` Seth Forshee
2013-02-13 20:55 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-13 21:04 ` Ben Jencks
2013-02-13 21:49 ` Seth Forshee
2013-02-13 21:46 ` Seth Forshee
2013-02-13 21:54 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-13 22:04 ` Seth Forshee
2013-03-07 19:38 ` Seth Forshee
2013-03-07 19:39 ` [PATCH 1/5] ACPICA: Add interface for getting latest Windows version requested via _OSI Seth Forshee
2013-03-07 19:39 ` [PATCH 2/5] acpi_video: Avoid unnecessary conversions between backlight levels and indexes Seth Forshee
2013-03-07 19:39 ` [PATCH 3/5] acpi_video: Add workaround for broken Windows 8 backlight implementations Seth Forshee
2013-04-04 11:44 ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-04 12:35 ` Seth Forshee
2013-04-04 13:46 ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-04 14:02 ` Seth Forshee
2013-04-04 14:27 ` Aaron Lu
2013-03-07 19:39 ` [PATCH 4/5] acpi_video: Disable use of _BQC when value doesn't match those set through _BCM Seth Forshee
2013-03-07 19:39 ` [PATCH 5/5] acpi_video: Don't handle ACPI brightness notifications by default Seth Forshee
2013-08-02 5:55 ` Aaron Lu
2013-08-02 14:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-08-02 14:52 ` Aaron Lu
2013-08-03 0:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-08-03 9:46 ` Aaron Lu
2013-08-03 11:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-08-03 12:10 ` Aaron Lu
2013-08-03 22:07 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-08-04 1:08 ` Aaron Lu
2013-03-18 21:25 ` [PATCH] ACPI: Disable Windows 8 compatibility for some Lenovo ThinkPads Seth Forshee
2013-04-02 5:18 ` Ben Jencks
2013-04-02 9:15 ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-02 11:23 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-04-02 13:44 ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-02 19:08 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-04-19 12:24 ` Seth Forshee
2013-04-20 22:06 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-04-21 2:29 ` Seth Forshee
2013-04-21 15:46 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2013-02-13 21:09 ` Ben Jencks
2013-04-01 1:53 ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-01 13:03 ` Seth Forshee
2013-04-02 9:08 ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-02 13:00 ` Seth Forshee [this message]
2013-04-02 13:43 ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-03 7:04 ` Ben Jencks
2013-04-03 7:27 ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-03 13:45 ` Seth Forshee
2013-04-04 11:39 ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-19 3:15 ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-20 22:06 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-04-21 11:07 ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-21 12:11 ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-21 21:42 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-04-22 9:39 ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-22 11:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-04-22 12:11 ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-22 13:06 ` Seth Forshee
2013-04-22 13:40 ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-22 13:56 ` Seth Forshee
2013-04-22 14:07 ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-22 15:11 ` Seth Forshee
2013-04-22 2:18 ` joeyli
2013-04-22 10:08 ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-22 12:00 ` joeyli
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