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From: Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Srinivas Pandruvada <srinivas.pandruvada@linux.intel.com>,
	mingo@redhat.com, tglx@linutronix.de, hpa@zytor.com,
	rjw@rjwysocki.net, x86@kernel.org, bp@suse.de,
	sudeep.holla@arm.com, ak@linux.intel.com,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	alexey.klimov@arm.com, viresh.kumar@linaro.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	lenb@kernel.org, tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com,
	paul.gortmaker@windriver.com, jpoimboe@redhat.com,
	mcgrof@kernel.org, jgross@suse.com, robert.moore@intel.com,
	dvyukov@google.com, jeyu@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 03/11] sched: Extend scheduler's asym packing
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 11:39:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160826103945.GC1323@e105550-lin.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160825134503.GH10138@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 03:45:03PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 02:18:37PM +0100, Morten Rasmussen wrote:
> 
> > But why not just pass the customized list into the scheduler? Seems
> > simpler?
> 
> Mostly because I didn't want to regress Power I suppose. The ITMT stuff
> needs an extra load, whereas the Power stuff can use the CPU number we
> already have.

The customized list wouldn't have to be mandatory. You could easily
create a default list that would match current behaviour for Power.

To pass in a custom list of priorities you could either extend struct
sched_domain_topology_level to have another function pointer that
returns the cpu priority, or introduce an arch_cpu_priotity() function.
Either of them could be used in the sched_domain hierarchy to set the
sched_group priority cpu and if you add a rq->cpu_priority, the
asymmetric packing comparison would be a simple comparison between
rq->cpu_priority of the two cpus in question.

What is the 'extra load' needed for ITMT? Isn't it just a priority list,
or does the absolute priority value have a meaning? I only saw it used
for less_than comparison, maybe I missed it.

If you need to express the difference in compute capability, why not use
capacity?

> Also, since we need an interface to pass in this custom list, I don't
> see the distinction, you can do the same manipulation by constantly
> updating the prio list.

Sure, but the overhead of rebuilding the sched_domain hierarchy is huge
compared to just tweaking the result of the less_than operator that get
called from the scheduler frequently. However, updating
group_priority_cpu() would require a rebuild too in this patch set.

> But not of this stuff should be EXPORT'ed, so its only available to the
> core kernel, which greatly limits the potential for abuse. We can see
> arch code just fine.

I don't see why it can't be wired up to be controlled by entities
outside arch code, e.g. cpufreq or the thermal framework, or even code
outside the kernel (firmware).

> And if you spin a custom kernel, you can already wreck the load
> balancer.

You can wreck any software where you have the source code and a compiler
:)

  reply	other threads:[~2016-08-26 10:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-08-18 22:36 [PATCH 00/11] Support Intel® Turbo Boost Max Technology 3.0 Srinivas Pandruvada
2016-08-18 22:36 ` [PATCH 01/11] sched, cpuset: Add regenerate_sched_domains function to rebuild all sched domains Srinivas Pandruvada
2016-08-22 13:52   ` Morten Rasmussen
2016-08-22 19:51     ` Tim Chen
2016-08-18 22:36 ` [PATCH 02/11] sched, x86: Add SD_ASYM_PACKING flags to x86 cpu topology for cpus supporting Intel Turbo Boost Max Technology Srinivas Pandruvada
2016-08-18 22:36 ` [PATCH 03/11] sched: Extend scheduler's asym packing Srinivas Pandruvada
2016-08-25 11:22   ` Morten Rasmussen
2016-08-25 11:45     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-25 13:18       ` Morten Rasmussen
2016-08-25 13:45         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-26 10:39           ` Morten Rasmussen [this message]
2016-08-26 12:42             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-26 17:25               ` Tim Chen
2016-08-26 23:14                 ` Tim Chen
2016-08-18 22:36 ` [PATCH 04/11] sched,x86: Enable Turbo Boost Max Technology Srinivas Pandruvada
2016-08-22  9:01   ` kbuild test robot
2016-08-22 19:04     ` Tim Chen
2016-08-24 10:18   ` Ingo Molnar
2016-08-24 17:50     ` Tim Chen
2016-08-24 18:08       ` Ingo Molnar
2016-08-24 18:22         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-18 22:36 ` [PATCH 05/11] acpi: cppc: Allow build with ACPI_CPU_FREQ_PSS config Srinivas Pandruvada
2016-08-20  0:46   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-18 22:36 ` [PATCH 06/11] acpi: cpcc: Add integer read support Srinivas Pandruvada
2016-08-18 22:36 ` [PATCH 07/11] acpi: cppc: Add support for function fixed hardware address Srinivas Pandruvada
2016-08-20  0:49   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-18 22:36 ` [PATCH 08/11] acpi: cppc: Add prefix cppc to cpudata structure name Srinivas Pandruvada
2016-08-18 22:36 ` [PATCH 09/11] acpi: bus: Enable HWP CPPC objects Srinivas Pandruvada
2016-08-20  0:49   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-18 22:36 ` [PATCH 10/11] acpi: bus: Set _OSC for diverse core support Srinivas Pandruvada
2016-08-20  0:51   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-18 22:36 ` [PATCH 11/11] cpufreq: intel_pstate: Use CPPC to get max performance Srinivas Pandruvada
2016-08-22 11:59   ` kbuild test robot

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