From: Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
Lorenzo Pieralisi <lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com>,
Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@linux.intel.com>,
linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, rafael@kernel.org, robh@kernel.org,
ahs3@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFC 00/15] ACPI graph support
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 14:12:30 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161012111230.GX2774@lahna.fi.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161012102836.wng5g4lb5ouvc3lc@sirena.org.uk>
On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 12:28:36PM +0200, Mark Brown wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 12:00:03PM +0300, Mika Westerberg wrote:
>
> > The _DEP method should be used for Operation Region dependencies but
> > here it is used for functional dependencies so that the audio machine
> > driver can find the corresponding codec. Why Microsoft used it like this
> > and not pushed it to ASWG to be added to the ACPI spec? Should we now
> > refuse to support it in Linux on the basis that it has not been
> > discussed with ASWG and it abuses _DEP?
>
> The fact that the ACPI community hasn't been doing a good job of working
> together is essentially the issue that people are pushing back on here.
> We appear to not even be trying to set a better standard for how to do
> things here.
Why using _DSD and the existing, well tested, DT properties (remote
endpoints) is not even considered making a better standard?
> Sitting externally to the group at Intel doing this it really looks like
> there's been a decision to mirror DT into ACPI en masse.
There has been no such decision as far as I can tell.
> If we really want to do that we should actually take that decision,
> preferrably with at least buy in from other ACPI users on Linux and
> with some review of existing ACPI standardization efforts to make sure
> we're not duplicating work there. Ideally we'd also be pushing
> anything we do towards ASWG even if just as a fiat accomplait.
Agreed.
> > > By copying DT, but changing a few things, we're in effect creating a new
> > > ill-defined Linux-specific standard. If we're going to create a new standard,
> > > we should go through the ASWG, and make an actual standard. If we're not going
> > > to create a new standard, we should use DT directly, rather than trying to
> > > force DT into ACPI.
>
> > These boards we are talking about ship with ACPI based firmware. We
> > should not expect users of those boards to be cabable of replacing the
> > existing firmware with DT one.
>
> Since we're still at the point of defining bindings hopefully we're not
> shipping yet...
No, those systems are already out there. See Intel Joule for one example
(there are many others). You can connect your own camera sensor there.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-10-12 11:15 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-10-04 22:45 [RFC 00/15] ACPI graph support Sakari Ailus
2016-10-04 22:45 ` [RFC 01/15] ACPI / property: Add possiblity to retrieve parent firmware node Sakari Ailus
2016-10-04 22:45 ` [RFC 02/15] device property: Add fwnode_get_parent() Sakari Ailus
2016-10-04 22:45 ` [RFC 03/15] ACPI / property: Add fwnode_get_next_child_node() Sakari Ailus
2016-10-04 22:45 ` [RFC 04/15] device property: Add fwnode_get_named_child_node() Sakari Ailus
2016-10-04 22:45 ` [RFC 05/15] ACPI / property: Add support for remote endpoints Sakari Ailus
2016-10-04 22:45 ` [RFC 06/15] device " Sakari Ailus
2016-10-04 22:45 ` [RFC 07/15] device property: Add fwnode_handle_get() Sakari Ailus
2016-10-04 22:45 ` [RFC 08/15] of: Add of_fwnode_handle() to convert device nodes to fwnode_handle Sakari Ailus
2016-10-04 22:45 ` [RFC 09/15] driver core: Arrange headers alphabetically Sakari Ailus
2016-10-04 22:45 ` [RFC 10/15] of: No need to include property.h, fwnode.h is sufficient Sakari Ailus
2016-10-04 22:45 ` [RFC 11/15] device property: Obtain device's fwnode independently of FW type Sakari Ailus
2016-10-04 22:45 ` [RFC 12/15] device property: Add support for fwnode endpoints Sakari Ailus
2016-10-04 22:45 ` [RFC 13/15] of: Add nop implementation of of_get_next_parent() Sakari Ailus
2016-10-04 22:45 ` [RFC 14/15] device property: Add fwnode_get_next_parent() Sakari Ailus
2016-10-04 22:45 ` [RFC 15/15] ACPI / DSD: Document references, ports and endpoints Sakari Ailus
2016-10-05 9:22 ` [RFC 00/15] ACPI graph support Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-10-05 11:41 ` Mika Westerberg
2016-10-05 15:06 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-10-05 15:32 ` Mika Westerberg
2016-10-05 16:18 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-10-05 20:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-10-06 8:57 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-10-06 9:11 ` Mika Westerberg
2016-10-06 9:57 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-10-06 11:19 ` Mika Westerberg
2016-10-06 15:31 ` Mark Brown
2016-10-06 16:00 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-10-06 16:14 ` Mark Brown
2016-10-06 17:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-10-11 12:44 ` Mark Rutland
2016-10-12 0:19 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-10-06 12:30 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-10-06 10:40 ` Mark Brown
2016-10-06 12:26 ` Mika Westerberg
2016-10-06 13:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-10-06 15:23 ` Mark Brown
2016-10-06 15:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-10-06 15:57 ` Sudeep Holla
2016-10-06 12:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-10-06 21:37 ` Mark Brown
2016-10-10 23:44 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-10-11 12:11 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-10-11 13:05 ` Mark Brown
2016-10-11 12:44 ` Mark Brown
2016-10-11 13:32 ` Mark Rutland
2016-10-12 0:32 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-10-12 12:05 ` Mark Brown
2016-10-12 12:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-10-11 13:01 ` Mark Rutland
2016-10-11 13:26 ` Mark Brown
2016-10-11 12:56 ` Mark Rutland
2016-10-06 22:02 ` Sakari Ailus
2016-10-11 12:35 ` Mark Rutland
2016-10-12 9:00 ` Mika Westerberg
2016-10-12 10:28 ` Mark Brown
2016-10-12 11:12 ` Mika Westerberg [this message]
2016-10-12 11:25 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-10-12 16:00 ` Mark Brown
2016-10-12 11:14 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-10-12 12:32 ` Mark Brown
2016-10-12 12:42 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-10-12 14:59 ` Mark Brown
2016-10-12 17:50 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-10-06 21:58 ` Sakari Ailus
2016-10-05 15:21 ` Mark Brown
2016-10-05 15:30 ` Sudeep Holla
2016-10-05 18:14 ` Mika Westerberg
2016-10-05 20:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-10-06 10:29 ` Sudeep Holla
2016-10-06 13:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-10-06 14:20 ` Sudeep Holla
2016-10-06 17:05 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-10-06 17:20 ` Sudeep Holla
2016-10-11 0:05 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-10-11 8:57 ` Sudeep Holla
2016-10-11 11:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-10-11 13:15 ` Mark Brown
2016-10-12 0:35 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-10-06 17:20 ` Al Stone
2016-10-06 20:14 ` Mark Brown
2016-10-06 20:54 ` Al Stone
2016-10-11 12:28 ` Mark Rutland
2016-10-12 1:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-10-06 21:10 ` Sakari Ailus
2016-10-11 13:30 ` Mark Rutland
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