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From: Ondrej Zary <linux-ZCIryABCsrmttCpgsWEBFmD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel-+ZI9xUNit7I@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Jon Smirl <jonsmirl-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	ncunningham-jjFNsPSvq+iXDw4h08c5KA@public.gmane.org,
	Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
	<c-d.hailfinger.devel.2005-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>,
	ACPI List
	<acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 12:35:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4204AF64.9060201@rainbow-software.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050205093550.GC1158-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>

Pavel Machek wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> 
>>>We already try to do that, but it hangs on 70% of machines. See
>>>Documentation/power/video.txt.
>>
>>We know that all of these ROMs are run at power on so they have to
>>work. This implies that there must be something wrong with the
>>environment the ROM are being run in. Video ROMs make calls into the
>>INT vectors of the system BIOS. If these haven't been set up yet
>>running the VBIOS is sure to hang.  Has someone with ROM source and
>>the appropriate debugging tools tried to debug one of these hangs?
>>Alternatively code could be added to wakeup.S to try and set these up
>>or dump the ones that are there and see if they are sane.
> 
> 
> Rumors say that notebooks no longer have video bios at C000h:0; rumors
> say that video BIOS on notebooks is simply integrated into main system
> BIOS. I personaly do not know if rumors are true, but PCs are ugly
> machines....

On systems with integrated graphics chips, there is no separate ROM chip 
for Video BIOS. Instead, it's integrated into system BIOS (this is true 
for onboard SCSI and pseudo-RAID controllerss too). During early 
initialization, system BIOS decompresses and initializes these BIOSes 
(if these is a PCI vendor ID and device ID match). (There is nothing 
wrong with this - BIOSes on PCI cards should not be run directly from 
the card's ROM but copied to RAM and executed from there instead 
according to PCI spec.)
After the POST is complete, the BIOSes are shadowed in RAM so Video BIOS 
is at C000:0 - so you can run DOS for example.

-- 
Ondrej Zary


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-02-05 11:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-22 13:42 Samsung P35, S3, black screen (radeon) Nikolaus Filus
     [not found] ` <20050122134205.GA9354-u75qzGzWA6cb1SvskN2V4Q@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-03  1:46   ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]     ` <4201825B.2090703-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-03  1:54       ` Matthew Garrett
2005-02-03  5:38       ` Stefan Schweizer
     [not found]         ` <e796392205020221387d4d8562-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-03 11:56           ` Matthew Garrett
2005-02-03 12:23           ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]             ` <420217DB.709-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-03 22:45               ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]                 ` <4202A972.1070003-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-03 22:54                   ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                     ` <20050203225410.GB1110-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-03 23:43                       ` Nigel Cunningham
     [not found]                         ` <1107474198.5727.9.camel-r49W/1Cwd2ff0s6lnCXPXw0QcLn3kwYh@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04  2:35                           ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: Re: Samsung P35, S3, black screen (radeon)) Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]                             ` <4202DF7B.2000506-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04  2:51                               ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: Re: [ACPI] " Nigel Cunningham
     [not found]                                 ` <1107485504.5727.35.camel-r49W/1Cwd2ff0s6lnCXPXw0QcLn3kwYh@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04  7:18                                   ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: " Jon Smirl
     [not found]                                     ` <9e4733910502032318460f2c0c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04  7:44                                       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                         ` <20050204074454.GB1086-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04 17:38                                           ` Jon Smirl
     [not found]                                             ` <9e473391050204093837bc50d3-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-05  0:52                                               ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]                                                 ` <420418C7.5010309-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-05  1:08                                                   ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-05  9:35                                               ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: Re: Samsung P35, S3, black screen (radeon)) Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                                 ` <20050205093550.GC1158-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-05 11:35                                                   ` Ondrej Zary [this message]
2005-02-06 16:02                                                   ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: Re: [ACPI] " Alan Cox
2005-02-07  2:11                                                     ` Adam Sulmicki
     [not found]                                                       ` <Pine.BSF.4.62.0502062107000.26868-l0fCXZmbWQJ/Vb4cDf9RU/Z8FUJU4vz8@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-07 14:27                                                         ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume Paulo Marques
     [not found]                                                           ` <42077AC4.5030103-TSnNRl9vlf1Wk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-07 14:36                                                             ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]                                                               ` <42077CFD.7030607-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-07 15:39                                                                 ` Paulo Marques
2005-02-07 16:01                                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-07 16:20                                                                   ` Li-Ta Lo
     [not found]                                                                     ` <1107793204.2930.18.camel-fiEEBCSFsUl2jBC2uHMcnu1ftBKYq+Ku@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-11  1:47                                                                       ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]                                                                         ` <420C68B3.4080509@scitechsoft.com>
     [not found]                                                                           ` <420CA2D2.6050003@gmx.net>
     [not found]                                                                             ` <420D08F2.3060505@scitechsoft.com>
     [not found]                                                                               ` <420D5481.1060402@gmx.net>
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <420D7B1B.3030503@scitechsoft.com>
     [not found]                                                                                   ` <421715EB.3020207@gmx.net>
     [not found]                                                                                     ` <42180D40.1020409@scitechsoft.com>
     [not found]                                                                                       ` <425907FC.6010504@gmx.net>
     [not found]                                                                                         ` <425907FC.6010504-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2005-05-10  8:36                                                                                           ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]                                                                                             ` <42807289.8090003-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2005-05-10 16:33                                                                                               ` Kendall Bennett
     [not found]                                                                                                 ` <4280E262.9020207-uto6oM0aG36m1FQbPH9wZw@public.gmane.org>
2005-05-10 19:36                                                                                                   ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2005-02-07 18:04                                                               ` [RFC] " Adam Sulmicki
2005-02-07 16:39                                                             ` Li-Ta Lo
2005-02-07 13:24                                                     ` [ACPI] Re: [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: Re: [ACPI] Samsung P35, S3, black screen (radeon)) Matthew Garrett
2005-02-07 14:09                                                       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                                         ` <20050207140937.GA8040-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-07 14:25                                                           ` Matthew Garrett
     [not found]                                                     ` <1107695583.14847.167.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-10 19:13                                                       ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: " Bill Davidsen
     [not found]                                                         ` <420BB267.8060108-sQDSfeB7uhw@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-10 19:25                                                           ` Ville Syrjälä
     [not found]                                                             ` <20050210192554.GA15726-ORSVBvAovxo@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-10 20:08                                                               ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: Re: [ACPI] " Matthew Garrett
2005-02-10 20:17                                                                 ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: " Jon Smirl
2005-02-10 20:29                                                                   ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: Re: [ACPI] " Matthew Garrett
2005-02-10 20:34                                                                     ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: " Jon Smirl
     [not found]                                                                       ` <9e47339105021012341c94c441-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-10 20:46                                                                         ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume Kendall Bennett
     [not found]                                                                           ` <420BC814.4050102-uto6oM0aG36m1FQbPH9wZw@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-10 21:06                                                                             ` Matthew Garrett
2005-02-10 21:20                                                                               ` Kendall Bennett
2005-02-10 21:28                                                                               ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-10 22:53                                                                                 ` Matthew Garrett
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <9e47339105021013285e390e2a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-11  1:41                                                                                   ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]                                                                   ` <9e473391050210121756874a84-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-10 20:32                                                                     ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: Re: Samsung P35, S3, black screen (radeon)) Ville Syrjälä
2005-02-10 19:31                                                           ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-07 19:27                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                     ` <m1lla0187m.fsf-T1Yj925okcoyDheHMi7gv2pdwda3JcWeAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-07 20:59                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-04  5:03                               ` Jon Smirl
     [not found]                                 ` <9e47339105020321031ccaabb-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04  7:49                                   ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-04 12:17                                   ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]                                     ` <420367CF.7060206-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04 13:51                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2005-02-04 16:30                                       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                         ` <20050204163019.GC1290-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04 17:31                                           ` Jon Smirl
     [not found]                                             ` <9e4733910502040931955f5a6-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04 18:10                                               ` Jesse Barnes
     [not found]                                                 ` <200502041010.13220.jbarnes-UzQTBcouhwxWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04 20:29                                                   ` Jon Smirl
     [not found]                                                     ` <9e473391050204122942da8aa7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04 22:13                                                       ` James Simmons
2005-02-04 21:56                                                   ` James Simmons
2005-02-04 22:59                                                   ` Legacy IO spaces (was Re: [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume) Jon Smirl
     [not found]                                                     ` <9e4733910502041459500ae8d3-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04 23:34                                                       ` Jesse Barnes
     [not found]                                                         ` <200502041534.03004.jbarnes-UzQTBcouhwxWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-05  0:48                                                           ` Jon Smirl
     [not found]                                                             ` <9e47339105020416486cf19738-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-05 22:42                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-02-06  0:17                                                                 ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-06  0:07                                                           ` Jon Smirl
     [not found]                                                             ` <9e47339105020516072b33a9c6-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-06  0:19                                                               ` Jesse Barnes
2005-02-05  2:04                                               ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume Matthew Garrett
2005-02-05  2:09                                                 ` Jon Smirl
     [not found]                                                   ` <9e4733910502041809738017a7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-05  2:17                                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2005-02-05  2:30                                                       ` Jon Smirl
     [not found]                                                         ` <9e47339105020418306a4c2c93-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-05  8:15                                                           ` Matthew Garrett
2005-02-05 11:53                                                             ` Ondrej Zary
     [not found]                                                               ` <4204B3C1.80706-ZCIryABCsrmttCpgsWEBFmD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-05 12:28                                                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2005-02-05 15:47                                                                 ` Jon Smirl
     [not found]                                                                   ` <9e473391050205074769e4f10-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-05 16:48                                                                     ` Stefan Dösinger
2005-02-05 17:38                                                                       ` [ACPI] " Jon Smirl
     [not found]                                                                         ` <9e47339105020509382adbbf39-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-06 11:05                                                                           ` Stefan Dösinger
2005-02-07 10:20                                                                           ` Helge Hafting
     [not found]                                                                             ` <420740F1.5050609-CND4fxrytsY@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-07 14:22                                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-05 15:55                                                             ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-05  9:37                                               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                                 ` <20050205093740.GD1158-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-05  9:49                                                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-02-05 15:49                                                   ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-04 22:09                                           ` James Simmons
     [not found]                                             ` <Pine.LNX.4.56.0502042206090.26459-nGpKsS7K33UUkNsaar8edxWb9i9o6OzJ@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-05  1:07                                               ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2005-02-05  1:14                                           ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2005-02-04 14:40                                   ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: Re: [ACPI] Samsung P35, S3, black screen (radeon)) Xavier Bestel
2005-02-05  1:10                                     ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2005-02-04  7:48                               ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume (was: Re: Samsung P35, S3, black screen (radeon)) Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                 ` <20050204074802.GD1086-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04 10:26                                   ` Oliver Neukum
     [not found]                                     ` <200502041126.14386.oliver-GvhC2dPhHPQdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04 11:32                                       ` [RFC] Reliable video POSTing on resume Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]                                         ` <42035D5A.2030703-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04 12:11                                           ` David Goodenough
2005-02-04 16:15                                           ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-04  7:43                           ` Samsung P35, S3, black screen (radeon) Pavel Machek
     [not found]                             ` <20050204074302.GA1086-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04 10:19                               ` Nigel Cunningham
     [not found]                                 ` <1107512396.5727.80.camel-r49W/1Cwd2ff0s6lnCXPXw0QcLn3kwYh@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04 16:13                                   ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                     ` <20050204161358.GA1290-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04 22:26                                       ` Nigel Cunningham
     [not found]                                         ` <1107555981.4109.3.camel-r49W/1Cwd2ff0s6lnCXPXw0QcLn3kwYh@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-05  9:31                                           ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                             ` <20050205093118.GA1158-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-05  9:44                                               ` Nigel Cunningham
     [not found]                                                 ` <1107596660.6348.6.camel-r49W/1Cwd2ff0s6lnCXPXw0QcLn3kwYh@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-05  9:45                                                   ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                                     ` <20050205094541.GE1158-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-05  9:51                                                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-02-05  9:32                                           ` Norbert Preining
2005-02-03 22:50               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                 ` <20050203225033.GA1110-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-02-04 15:50                   ` Stefan Seyfried

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