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* Acer TravelMate 3200 series
@ 2005-02-16 19:20 Inglor
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From: Inglor @ 2005-02-16 19:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f

I'm trying to make the battery of my laptop shown in the linux.
I have tried kernel compilation with no results.
The ACPI is enabled and I can see my CPU temp.
My kernel is 2.6.10 and I have Mandrake 10.1. The laptop is Acer TM 3201XMi

The battery is shown under Device manager from windows as "Microsoft 
Smart Battery" and "Microsoft Smart Battery Subsystem".
I have found the files for the drivers in windows.. Wiil this help..?

thanks.. :)

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* Re: Acer TravelMate 3200 series
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@ 2005-02-16 19:22   ` Rich Townsend
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  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Rich Townsend @ 2005-02-16 19:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Inglor; +Cc: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f

Inglor wrote:
> I'm trying to make the battery of my laptop shown in the linux.
> I have tried kernel compilation with no results.
> The ACPI is enabled and I can see my CPU temp.
> My kernel is 2.6.10 and I have Mandrake 10.1. The laptop is Acer TM 3201XMi
> 
> The battery is shown under Device manager from windows as "Microsoft 
> Smart Battery" and "Microsoft Smart Battery Subsystem".
> I have found the files for the drivers in windows.. Wiil this help..?
> 
> thanks.. :)
> 

https://sourceforge.net/projects/sbs-linux/

The latest release of the sbs-cm package should work with the TM 3201XMi.

cheers,

Rich


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* Re: Acer TravelMate 3200 series
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@ 2005-02-17 18:45       ` Inglor
       [not found]         ` <4214E65E.2020202-L6arEPXw2n0ZNqoCg3qVjg@public.gmane.org>
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From: Inglor @ 2005-02-17 18:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f

Rich Townsend wrote:

> Inglor wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to make the battery of my laptop shown in the linux.
>> I have tried kernel compilation with no results.
>> The ACPI is enabled and I can see my CPU temp.
>> My kernel is 2.6.10 and I have Mandrake 10.1. The laptop is Acer TM 
>> 3201XMi
>>
>> The battery is shown under Device manager from windows as "Microsoft 
>> Smart Battery" and "Microsoft Smart Battery Subsystem".
>> I have found the files for the drivers in windows.. Wiil this help..?
>>
>> thanks.. :)
>>
>
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/sbs-linux/
>
> The latest release of the sbs-cm package should work with the TM 3201XMi.
>
> cheers,
>
> Rich
>
>
I managert to produce the patched DSDT.aml with the help of readme file.
Now I have to patch the kernel with it.
I noticed that there is a kernel option to use my own DSDT file (kernel 
2.6.10)
Will this work or should I do the procedure descpiped into the readme 
file (which redirects me to a gentoo forum...)


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* Re: Acer TravelMate 3200 series
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@ 2005-02-17 18:47           ` Rich Townsend
       [not found]             ` <4214E6DE.3010702-OBnUx95tOyn10jlvfTC4gA@public.gmane.org>
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From: Rich Townsend @ 2005-02-17 18:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Inglor; +Cc: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f

Inglor wrote:
> Rich Townsend wrote:
> 
>> Inglor wrote:
>>
>>> I'm trying to make the battery of my laptop shown in the linux.
>>> I have tried kernel compilation with no results.
>>> The ACPI is enabled and I can see my CPU temp.
>>> My kernel is 2.6.10 and I have Mandrake 10.1. The laptop is Acer TM 
>>> 3201XMi
>>>
>>> The battery is shown under Device manager from windows as "Microsoft 
>>> Smart Battery" and "Microsoft Smart Battery Subsystem".
>>> I have found the files for the drivers in windows.. Wiil this help..?
>>>
>>> thanks.. :)
>>>
>>
>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/sbs-linux/
>>
>> The latest release of the sbs-cm package should work with the TM 3201XMi.
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> Rich
>>
>>
> I managert to produce the patched DSDT.aml with the help of readme file.
> Now I have to patch the kernel with it.
> I noticed that there is a kernel option to use my own DSDT file (kernel 
> 2.6.10)
> Will this work or should I do the procedure descpiped into the readme 
> file (which redirects me to a gentoo forum...)

As far as I know, there is no standard functionality in 2.6.10 that 
allows custom DSDTs. So you must be using a kernel that has been 
enhanced/patched by Mandrake.

But there's no reason why the kernel option won't work. So try it out; 
if it doesn't work, then you can try the instructions in the README file.

cheers,

Rich


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* Re: Acer TravelMate 3200 series
       [not found]             ` <4214E6DE.3010702-OBnUx95tOyn10jlvfTC4gA@public.gmane.org>
@ 2005-02-18  9:20               ` Gerard Soldevila
       [not found]                 ` <89c8fbaa0502180120276cee49-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
  2005-02-18 23:24               ` Inglor
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Gerard Soldevila @ 2005-02-18  9:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: inglor-L6arEPXw2n0ZNqoCg3qVjg,
	acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f

Hi,

In standard kernel 2.6.10 (from kernel.org) you can include a custom DSDT

Power Management Options (ACPI, APM ) --->
ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) Support  --->
[*]   Include Custom DSDT
(/etc/dsdt.hex) Custom DSDT Table file to include

You have to include .hex file if you use this method
(To obtain dsdt.hex:   iasl -t c dsdt.dsl)

I tried to load DSDT by this method (with 2.6.10) but no battery
status is shown and the loaded DSDT seems to be the original (diff
shows no ouptut)

I encourage you to patch your kernel to read DSDT dinamically from initrd.


Gerard




On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:47:58 -0500, Rich Townsend <rhdt-OBnUx95tOyn10jlvfTC4gA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Inglor wrote:
> > Rich Townsend wrote:
> >
> >> Inglor wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm trying to make the battery of my laptop shown in the linux.
> >>> I have tried kernel compilation with no results.
> >>> The ACPI is enabled and I can see my CPU temp.
> >>> My kernel is 2.6.10 and I have Mandrake 10.1. The laptop is Acer TM
> >>> 3201XMi
> >>>
> >>> The battery is shown under Device manager from windows as "Microsoft
> >>> Smart Battery" and "Microsoft Smart Battery Subsystem".
> >>> I have found the files for the drivers in windows.. Wiil this help..?
> >>>
> >>> thanks.. :)
> >>>
> >>
> >> https://sourceforge.net/projects/sbs-linux/
> >>
> >> The latest release of the sbs-cm package should work with the TM 3201XMi.
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >>
> >> Rich
> >>
> >>
> > I managert to produce the patched DSDT.aml with the help of readme file.
> > Now I have to patch the kernel with it.
> > I noticed that there is a kernel option to use my own DSDT file (kernel
> > 2.6.10)
> > Will this work or should I do the procedure descpiped into the readme
> > file (which redirects me to a gentoo forum...)
> 
> As far as I know, there is no standard functionality in 2.6.10 that
> allows custom DSDTs. So you must be using a kernel that has been
> enhanced/patched by Mandrake.
> 
> But there's no reason why the kernel option won't work. So try it out;
> if it doesn't work, then you can try the instructions in the README file.
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Rich
> 
> 
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* Re: Acer TravelMate 3200 series
       [not found]                 ` <89c8fbaa0502180120276cee49-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
@ 2005-02-18 10:09                   ` inglor-L6arEPXw2n0ZNqoCg3qVjg
  2005-02-18 10:18                   ` Johan Vromans
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From: inglor-L6arEPXw2n0ZNqoCg3qVjg @ 2005-02-18 10:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f

On Friday 18 February 2005 11:20, Gerard Soldevila wrote:
> Hi,
>
> In standard kernel 2.6.10 (from kernel.org) you can include a custom DSDT
>
> Power Management Options (ACPI, APM ) --->
> ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) Support  --->
> [*]   Include Custom DSDT
> (/etc/dsdt.hex) Custom DSDT Table file to include
>
> You have to include .hex file if you use this method
> (To obtain dsdt.hex:   iasl -t c dsdt.dsl)
>
> I tried to load DSDT by this method (with 2.6.10) but no battery
> status is shown and the loaded DSDT seems to be the original (diff
> shows no ouptut)
>
> I encourage you to patch your kernel to read DSDT dinamically from initrd.
>
>
> Gerard
>
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:47:58 -0500, Rich Townsend <rhdt-OBnUx95tOyn10jlvfTC4gA@public.gmane.org> 
wrote:
> > Inglor wrote:
> > > Rich Townsend wrote:
> > >> Inglor wrote:
> > >>> I'm trying to make the battery of my laptop shown in the linux.
> > >>> I have tried kernel compilation with no results.
> > >>> The ACPI is enabled and I can see my CPU temp.
> > >>> My kernel is 2.6.10 and I have Mandrake 10.1. The laptop is Acer TM
> > >>> 3201XMi
> > >>>
> > >>> The battery is shown under Device manager from windows as "Microsoft
> > >>> Smart Battery" and "Microsoft Smart Battery Subsystem".
> > >>> I have found the files for the drivers in windows.. Wiil this help..?
> > >>>
> > >>> thanks.. :)
> > >>
> > >> https://sourceforge.net/projects/sbs-linux/
> > >>
> > >> The latest release of the sbs-cm package should work with the TM
> > >> 3201XMi.
> > >>
> > >> cheers,
> > >>
> > >> Rich
> > >
> > > I managert to produce the patched DSDT.aml with the help of readme
> > > file. Now I have to patch the kernel with it.
> > > I noticed that there is a kernel option to use my own DSDT file (kernel
> > > 2.6.10)
> > > Will this work or should I do the procedure descpiped into the readme
> > > file (which redirects me to a gentoo forum...)
> >
> > As far as I know, there is no standard functionality in 2.6.10 that
> > allows custom DSDTs. So you must be using a kernel that has been
> > enhanced/patched by Mandrake.
> >
> > But there's no reason why the kernel option won't work. So try it out;
> > if it doesn't work, then you can try the instructions in the README file.
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > Rich
> >
> >
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I patched the kernel with the patch proposed from gentoo forum and worked.
Now I can see my battery status and the next step is to manage the CPU 
frequency. 
As for Gerard Soldevila proposal I tried to add the DSDT.aml not the hex file 
and in the compilation I recieved a nice error (of cource). I haven't tried 
that method but probably will work and you don't have to patch the kernel.

Thanks for the help!!!! :)


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* Re: Acer TravelMate 3200 series
       [not found]                 ` <89c8fbaa0502180120276cee49-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
  2005-02-18 10:09                   ` inglor-L6arEPXw2n0ZNqoCg3qVjg
@ 2005-02-18 10:18                   ` Johan Vromans
       [not found]                     ` <m2sm3u189n.fsf-KjnUIgV0B0bak1Ioo/c9IoRWq/SkRNHw@public.gmane.org>
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From: Johan Vromans @ 2005-02-18 10:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f

Gerard Soldevila <soldevila-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:

> Power Management Options (ACPI, APM ) --->
> ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) Support  --->
> [*]   Include Custom DSDT
> (/etc/dsdt.hex) Custom DSDT Table file to include

> I tried to load DSDT by this method (with 2.6.10) but no battery
> status is shown and the loaded DSDT seems to be the original (diff
> shows no ouptut)
>
> I encourage you to patch your kernel to read DSDT dinamically from initrd.

I use the kernel override technique all of the time, and it works
perfectly. (I need to override the DSDT since the original DSDT has
the wrong CPU frequencies in it. So I can immedeately see that its
overridden.) There should be no difference whether the DSDT is
overriden this way, or from the initrd (read the patch, it's clear).

You can verify that he DSDT was actually overridden by inspecting
dmesg:

    ACPI-0294: *** Info: Table [DSDT] replaced by host OS

-- Johan


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* Re: Re: Acer TravelMate 3200 series
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@ 2005-02-18 10:57                       ` inglor-L6arEPXw2n0ZNqoCg3qVjg
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: inglor-L6arEPXw2n0ZNqoCg3qVjg @ 2005-02-18 10:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f

On Friday 18 February 2005 12:18, Johan Vromans wrote:
> Gerard Soldevila <soldevila-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
> > Power Management Options (ACPI, APM ) --->
> > ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) Support  --->
> > [*]   Include Custom DSDT
> > (/etc/dsdt.hex) Custom DSDT Table file to include
> >
> > I tried to load DSDT by this method (with 2.6.10) but no battery
> > status is shown and the loaded DSDT seems to be the original (diff
> > shows no ouptut)
> >
> > I encourage you to patch your kernel to read DSDT dinamically from
> > initrd.
>
> I use the kernel override technique all of the time, and it works
> perfectly. (I need to override the DSDT since the original DSDT has
> the wrong CPU frequencies in it. So I can immedeately see that its
> overridden.) There should be no difference whether the DSDT is
> overriden this way, or from the initrd (read the patch, it's clear).
>
> You can verify that he DSDT was actually overridden by inspecting
> dmesg:
>
>     ACPI-0294: *** Info: Table [DSDT] replaced by host OS
>
> -- Johan
>
>
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Is the CPU frequency managed from acpid or cpufreqd.
I'm trying to manage the CPU and can't find a way...
Do you have any thoughts..? links..??? 
thanks..


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* Re: Acer TravelMate 3200 series
       [not found]             ` <4214E6DE.3010702-OBnUx95tOyn10jlvfTC4gA@public.gmane.org>
  2005-02-18  9:20               ` Gerard Soldevila
@ 2005-02-18 23:24               ` Inglor
       [not found]                 ` <42167944.5030603-L6arEPXw2n0ZNqoCg3qVjg@public.gmane.org>
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Inglor @ 2005-02-18 23:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f

Rich Townsend wrote:

> Inglor wrote:
>
>> Rich Townsend wrote:
>>
>>> Inglor wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm trying to make the battery of my laptop shown in the linux.
>>>> I have tried kernel compilation with no results.
>>>> The ACPI is enabled and I can see my CPU temp.
>>>> My kernel is 2.6.10 and I have Mandrake 10.1. The laptop is Acer TM 
>>>> 3201XMi
>>>>
>>>> The battery is shown under Device manager from windows as 
>>>> "Microsoft Smart Battery" and "Microsoft Smart Battery Subsystem".
>>>> I have found the files for the drivers in windows.. Wiil this help..?
>>>>
>>>> thanks.. :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/sbs-linux/
>>>
>>> The latest release of the sbs-cm package should work with the TM 
>>> 3201XMi.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>
>>> Rich
>>>
>>>
>> I managert to produce the patched DSDT.aml with the help of readme file.
>> Now I have to patch the kernel with it.
>> I noticed that there is a kernel option to use my own DSDT file 
>> (kernel 2.6.10)
>> Will this work or should I do the procedure descpiped into the readme 
>> file (which redirects me to a gentoo forum...)
>
>
> As far as I know, there is no standard functionality in 2.6.10 that 
> allows custom DSDTs. So you must be using a kernel that has been 
> enhanced/patched by Mandrake.
>
> But there's no reason why the kernel option won't work. So try it out; 
> if it doesn't work, then you can try the instructions in the README file.
>
> cheers,
>
> Rich
>
>
Do you know a way to control CPU speed from linux kernel 2.6.10
Intel Centrino SpeedStem technology.
cpudyn doesn't work...

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* Re: Acer TravelMate 3200 series
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@ 2005-02-19  8:16                   ` Hendrik Jürgens
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From: Hendrik Jürgens @ 2005-02-19  8:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f

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| Do you know a way to control CPU speed from linux kernel 2.6.10
| Intel Centrino SpeedStem technology.
| cpudyn doesn't work...

Speedfreqd is a good tool for this.

- --
Best regards
Hendrik Jürgens
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* Re: Acer TravelMate 3200 series
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@ 2005-02-19 12:04                       ` Pedro Venda
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From: Pedro Venda @ 2005-02-19 12:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Hendrik Jürgens; +Cc: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f

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Hendrik Jürgens wrote:
| | Do you know a way to control CPU speed from linux kernel 2.6.10
| | Intel Centrino SpeedStem technology.
| | cpudyn doesn't work...
|
| Speedfreqd is a good tool for this.

I use the in-kernel ondemand governor for the cpufreq driver, so no userspace
daemon for me.

regards,
pedro venda.
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email: pjvenda < at > arrakis.dhis.org
http://arrakis.dhis.org
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