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From: Pierre Ossman <drzeus-list@drzeus.cx>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Russell King <rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Alexander Nyberg <alexn@telia.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>, Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	len.brown@intel.com, acpi-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	ncunningham@cyclades.com, Masoud Sharbiani <masouds@masoud.ir>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] suspend: Cleanup calling of power off methods.
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:54:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <43328D82.5020505@drzeus.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m14q8dcuvm.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>

Eric W. Biederman wrote:

>But the definition of a maintainer is whoever takes responsibility for
>part X.  The are many pieces of the kernel that don't easily break
>up into the taxonomy of subsystem and driver.  There are many people
>to reluctantly take responsibility because there is no one else,
>and so aren't even mentioned in MAINTAINERS much less the rest of it.
>
>  
>

Setting up an account for a mailing list and linking unmaintained parts
to it would be a solution to that. Either set up a specific list for
this or use when of the current ones (like LKML). The big problem I see
at the moment is that not all parts of the kernel are represented in the
bugzilla.

>One problem I have with a system like bugzilla is that frequently bug
>reports are not complete, and bugzilla sets the expectation that
>once you file a bug the reporters part is complete.  Frequently it takes
>several round trips via email to even understand the bug that is being
>reported. 
>  
>

I agree that most bug reports are incomplete. But I still think that a
bugzilla is the way to go. We need to educate the users in filing bug
reports no matter which forum is used. Russell's point about having a
wizard would probably help a lot. A bugzilla also gives the option of
marking bugs with NEEDINFO, INVALID and similar, clearly expressing to
the user how the maintainer sees this bug.

>So either we need a two level bug tracking system where there
>is a place to capture bugs that users see, and a place to track
>bugs that developers understand.  Or we need something that is
>much more interactive than bugzilla.
>
>  
>

I think that the categories NEW/ASSIGNED/CONFIRMED suffices. Although
discussions on mailing lists are more natural for the people here I
don't agree that bugzilla is less interactive than lists.

Rgds
Pierre

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-09-22 10:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <F7DC2337C7631D4386A2DF6E8FB22B30047B8DAF@hdsmsx401.amr.corp.intel.com>
2005-09-10 21:07 ` reboot vs poweroff Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]   ` <m1d5ngk4xa.fsf-T1Yj925okcoyDheHMi7gv2pdwda3JcWeAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2005-09-11  8:43     ` Meelis Roos
     [not found]       ` <Pine.SOC.4.61.0509111140550.9218-ptEonEWSGqKptlylMvRsHA@public.gmane.org>
2005-09-11  8:53         ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-09-20 17:42       ` [PATCH 1/2] reboot: Comment and factor the main reboot functions Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]         ` <m14q8fhc02.fsf_-_-T1Yj925okcoyDheHMi7gv2pdwda3JcWeAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2005-09-20 17:49           ` [PATCH 2/2] suspend: Cleanup calling of power off methods Eric W. Biederman
2005-09-20 21:06             ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]               ` <20050920210617.GA1779-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-09-21  2:08                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-09-21 10:18                   ` Pavel Machek
2005-09-21 13:50                     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                     ` <20050921101855.GD25297-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org>
2005-09-21 16:35                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-09-21 17:28                         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                           ` <m1slvycotk.fsf-T1Yj925okcoyDheHMi7gv2pdwda3JcWeAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2005-09-21 18:02                             ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-21 17:36                         ` Alexander Nyberg
2005-09-21 18:15                           ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]                             ` <20050921111523.4b007281.akpm-3NddpPZAyC0@public.gmane.org>
2005-09-21 19:45                               ` Hugh Dickins
2005-09-21 18:35                           ` Diego Calleja
     [not found]                             ` <20050921203505.32cc714d.diegocg-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2005-09-21 18:49                               ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-21 19:54                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-09-26 12:09                                   ` Diego Calleja
     [not found]                                     ` <20050926140900.d070b604.diegocg-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2005-09-26 13:47                                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-09-21 20:16                                 ` Diego Calleja
2005-09-21 19:43                           ` Russell King
     [not found]                             ` <20050921194306.GC13246-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2005-09-21 20:10                               ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-22  7:15                               ` Pierre Ossman
2005-09-22  8:10                                 ` [ACPI] " Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                                 ` <43325A02.90208-p3sGCRWkH8CeZLLa646FqQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-09-22  9:30                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                     ` <m14q8dcuvm.fsf-T1Yj925okcoyDheHMi7gv2pdwda3JcWeAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2005-09-22  9:38                                       ` Russell King
2005-09-22 10:54                                     ` Pierre Ossman [this message]
     [not found]                         ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0509210930410.2553-hNm40g4Ew95AfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2005-09-21 17:46                           ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]                             ` <20050921104615.2e8dd7d5.akpm-3NddpPZAyC0@public.gmane.org>
2005-09-21 18:08                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-09-21 18:24                                 ` Andrew Morton

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