From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Pierre Ossman Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] suspend: Cleanup calling of power off methods. Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:54:58 +0200 Message-ID: <43328D82.5020505@drzeus.cx> References: <20050921101855.GD25297@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <20050921173630.GA2477@localhost.localdomain> <20050921194306.GC13246@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> <43325A02.90208@drzeus.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: In-Reply-To: Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org To: "Eric W. Biederman" Cc: Russell King , Alexander Nyberg , Linus Torvalds , Pavel Machek , Andrew Morton , len.brown@intel.com, acpi-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, ncunningham@cyclades.com, Masoud Sharbiani , Linux Kernel Mailing List List-Id: linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org Eric W. Biederman wrote: >But the definition of a maintainer is whoever takes responsibility for >part X. The are many pieces of the kernel that don't easily break >up into the taxonomy of subsystem and driver. There are many people >to reluctantly take responsibility because there is no one else, >and so aren't even mentioned in MAINTAINERS much less the rest of it. > > > Setting up an account for a mailing list and linking unmaintained parts to it would be a solution to that. Either set up a specific list for this or use when of the current ones (like LKML). The big problem I see at the moment is that not all parts of the kernel are represented in the bugzilla. >One problem I have with a system like bugzilla is that frequently bug >reports are not complete, and bugzilla sets the expectation that >once you file a bug the reporters part is complete. Frequently it takes >several round trips via email to even understand the bug that is being >reported. > > I agree that most bug reports are incomplete. But I still think that a bugzilla is the way to go. We need to educate the users in filing bug reports no matter which forum is used. Russell's point about having a wizard would probably help a lot. A bugzilla also gives the option of marking bugs with NEEDINFO, INVALID and similar, clearly expressing to the user how the maintainer sees this bug. >So either we need a two level bug tracking system where there >is a place to capture bugs that users see, and a place to track >bugs that developers understand. Or we need something that is >much more interactive than bugzilla. > > > I think that the categories NEW/ASSIGNED/CONFIRMED suffices. Although discussions on mailing lists are more natural for the people here I don't agree that bugzilla is less interactive than lists. Rgds Pierre