From: Aaron Lu <aaron.lu@intel.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
Jeff Wu <jeff.wu@amd.com>,
linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 06/10] ata: zpodd: check zero power ready status
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:17:56 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <50B2C344.9060403@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1543239.67ZUIKlEE3@vostro.rjw.lan>
On 11/26/2012 09:11 AM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Monday, November 26, 2012 09:05:58 AM Aaron Lu wrote:
>> On 11/26/2012 09:03 AM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>> On Monday, November 26, 2012 08:48:51 AM Aaron Lu wrote:
>>>> On 11/26/2012 08:50 AM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, November 20, 2012 04:59:57 PM Aaron Lu wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/20/2012 02:00 PM, Aaron Lu wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/19/2012 10:56 PM, Tejun Heo wrote:
>>>>>>>> I really think we need a way for (auto)pm and event polling to talk to
>>>>>>>> each other so that autopm can tell event poll to sod off while pm is
>>>>>>>> in effect. Trying to solve this from inside libata doesn't seem
>>>>>>>> right. The problem, again, seems to be figuring out which hardware
>>>>>>>> device maps to which block device. Hmmm... Any good ideas?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A possible way of doing this is using pm qos.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We currently have 2 pm qos flags, NO_POWER_OFF and REMOTE_WAKEUP, and we
>>>>>>> can add another one: NO_POLL, use it like the following:
>>>>>>> 1 Set the NO_POLL pm qos flag when the underlying driver thinks it is no
>>>>>>> longer necessary. In the ZPODD's case, it should be set when the
>>>>>>> device is to be powered off;
>>>>>>> 2 Clear it when poll is necessary again. In the ZPODD's case, when power
>>>>>>> is re-gained, this flag will be cleared.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3 In the disk_events_workfn, check if this flag is set, if so, simply
>>>>>>> return.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It should be, skip calling disk->fops->check_events, but still queue the
>>>>>> work for next time's poll.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Aaron
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The disk->driverfs_dev can be used to host the pm qos flag, ATA layer
>>>>>>> can access it through ata_device->sdev->sdev_gendev.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is this OK?
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I don't think so. PM QoS is about telling the layer that will put the
>>>>> device into low-power states what states are to be taken into consideration.
>>>>> In this case, however, we need to tell someone else that the device has been
>>>>> turned off. Clearly, we need a way to do that, but not through PM QoS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you consider using pm_runtime_suspended() to check the device status?
>>>>
>>>> The problem is, a device can be in runtime suspended state while still
>>>> needs to be polled...
>>>
>>> Well, maybe this is the problem, then? Why does it need to be polled when
>>> suspended?
>>
>> For ODDs, poll is not necessary only when ZP capable ODD is powered off.
>> For other ODDs, poll still needs to go on.
>>
>> ZP capable ODDs:
>> - runtime suspended, power remained(due to NO_POWER_OFF qos flag)
>> poll is needed
>> -- runtime suspended, power removed
>> poll is not needed
>>
>> Non ZP capable ODDs:
>> -- runtime suspended, power remained (power will never be removed)
>> poll is needed
>>
>> If we do not poll for the powered on case, we will lose media change
>> event.
>
> But the media change event should change the status from suspended to active,
> shouldn't it?
We need a way PM code can tell block layer that it is not necessary to
poll the device now, and runtime suspended is not enough, so we need
another way.
Thanks,
Aaron
>
> Rafael
>
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-11-26 1:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-11-09 6:51 [PATCH v9 00/10] ZPODD Patches Aaron Lu
2012-11-09 6:51 ` [PATCH v9 01/10] scsi: sr: support runtime pm Aaron Lu
2012-11-09 6:51 ` [PATCH v9 02/10] ata: zpodd: Add CONFIG_SATA_ZPODD Aaron Lu
2012-11-09 6:51 ` [PATCH v9 03/10] ata: zpodd: identify and init ZPODD devices Aaron Lu
2012-11-12 18:53 ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-14 1:32 ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-18 14:38 ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-19 2:15 ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-09 6:51 ` [PATCH v9 04/10] libata: acpi: move acpi notification code to zpodd Aaron Lu
2012-11-12 18:55 ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-14 1:36 ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-09 6:51 ` [PATCH v9 05/10] libata: separate ATAPI code Aaron Lu
2012-11-12 18:57 ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-13 12:49 ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-18 15:01 ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-19 2:21 ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-19 14:51 ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-09 6:51 ` [PATCH v9 06/10] ata: zpodd: check zero power ready status Aaron Lu
2012-11-12 19:13 ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-13 13:20 ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-14 2:18 ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-18 15:00 ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-19 3:09 ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-19 14:56 ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-19 15:06 ` James Bottomley
2012-11-26 0:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-26 0:45 ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-26 5:03 ` James Bottomley
2012-11-26 5:09 ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-26 7:32 ` James Bottomley
2012-11-26 8:27 ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-26 13:17 ` James Bottomley
2012-11-26 16:21 ` Alan Stern
2012-11-26 19:15 ` James Bottomley
2012-11-27 1:41 ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-28 0:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-28 1:39 ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-28 2:24 ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-28 8:56 ` James Bottomley
2012-12-03 8:13 ` Aaron Lu
2012-12-03 8:25 ` James Bottomley
2012-12-03 8:59 ` Aaron Lu
2012-12-03 16:23 ` Tejun Heo
2012-12-03 18:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2012-12-04 5:04 ` Aaron Lu
2012-12-04 12:11 ` James Bottomley
2012-12-07 6:13 ` Aaron Lu
2012-12-10 3:26 ` Aaron Lu
2012-12-11 5:10 ` Tejun Heo
2012-12-18 8:30 ` Aaron Lu
2012-12-20 6:07 ` Aaron Lu
2012-12-25 17:17 ` Tejun Heo
2012-12-26 1:42 ` Aaron Lu
2012-12-28 21:16 ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-04 1:04 ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-30 8:55 ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-30 11:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-20 6:00 ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-20 8:59 ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-26 0:50 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-26 0:48 ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-26 1:03 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-26 1:05 ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-26 1:11 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-26 1:09 ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-26 1:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-26 1:22 ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-26 1:17 ` Aaron Lu [this message]
2012-11-09 6:51 ` [PATCH v9 07/10] block: add a new interface to block events Aaron Lu
2012-11-12 19:14 ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-12 19:18 ` Alan Stern
2012-11-12 19:21 ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-12 19:34 ` Alan Stern
2012-11-18 15:05 ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-18 17:41 ` Alan Stern
2012-11-18 21:56 ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-18 21:58 ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-18 23:28 ` Alan Stern
2012-11-18 23:35 ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-19 2:07 ` Alan Stern
2012-11-19 3:21 ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-19 14:50 ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-09 6:52 ` [PATCH v9 08/10] scsi: sr: support (un)block events Aaron Lu
2012-11-09 6:52 ` [PATCH v9 09/10] ata: zpodd: handle power transition of ODD Aaron Lu
2012-11-09 6:52 ` [PATCH v9 10/10] ata: expose pm qos flags to user space for ata device Aaron Lu
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