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From: Aaron Lu <aaron.lu@intel.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	Jeff Wu <jeff.wu@amd.com>,
	linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 06/10] ata: zpodd: check zero power ready status
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:17:56 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50B2C344.9060403@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1543239.67ZUIKlEE3@vostro.rjw.lan>

On 11/26/2012 09:11 AM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Monday, November 26, 2012 09:05:58 AM Aaron Lu wrote:
>> On 11/26/2012 09:03 AM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>> On Monday, November 26, 2012 08:48:51 AM Aaron Lu wrote:
>>>> On 11/26/2012 08:50 AM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, November 20, 2012 04:59:57 PM Aaron Lu wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/20/2012 02:00 PM, Aaron Lu wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/19/2012 10:56 PM, Tejun Heo wrote:
>>>>>>>> I really think we need a way for (auto)pm and event polling to talk to
>>>>>>>> each other so that autopm can tell event poll to sod off while pm is
>>>>>>>> in effect.  Trying to solve this from inside libata doesn't seem
>>>>>>>> right.  The problem, again, seems to be figuring out which hardware
>>>>>>>> device maps to which block device.  Hmmm... Any good ideas?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A possible way of doing this is using pm qos.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We currently have 2 pm qos flags, NO_POWER_OFF and REMOTE_WAKEUP, and we
>>>>>>> can add another one: NO_POLL, use it like the following:
>>>>>>> 1 Set the NO_POLL pm qos flag when the underlying driver thinks it is no
>>>>>>>   longer necessary. In the ZPODD's case, it should be set when the
>>>>>>>   device is to be powered off;
>>>>>>> 2 Clear it when poll is necessary again. In the ZPODD's case, when power
>>>>>>>   is re-gained, this flag will be cleared.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3 In the disk_events_workfn, check if this flag is set, if so, simply
>>>>>>>   return.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It should be, skip calling disk->fops->check_events, but still queue the
>>>>>> work for next time's poll.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Aaron
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The disk->driverfs_dev can be used to host the pm qos flag, ATA layer
>>>>>>> can access it through ata_device->sdev->sdev_gendev.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is this OK?
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I don't think so.  PM QoS is about telling the layer that will put the
>>>>> device into low-power states what states are to be taken into consideration.
>>>>> In this case, however, we need to tell someone else that the device has been
>>>>> turned off.  Clearly, we need a way to do that, but not through PM QoS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you consider using pm_runtime_suspended() to check the device status?
>>>>
>>>> The problem is, a device can be in runtime suspended state while still
>>>> needs to be polled...
>>>
>>> Well, maybe this is the problem, then?  Why does it need to be polled when
>>> suspended?
>>
>> For ODDs, poll is not necessary only when ZP capable ODD is powered off.
>> For other ODDs, poll still needs to go on.
>>
>> ZP capable ODDs:
>>   - runtime suspended, power remained(due to NO_POWER_OFF qos flag)
>>     poll is needed
>>   -- runtime suspended, power removed
>>     poll is not needed
>>
>> Non ZP capable ODDs:
>>   -- runtime suspended, power remained (power will never be removed)
>>     poll is needed
>>
>> If we do not poll for the powered on case, we will lose media change
>> event.
> 
> But the media change event should change the status from suspended to active,
> shouldn't it?

We need a way PM code can tell block layer that it is not necessary to
poll the device now, and runtime suspended is not enough, so we need
another way.

Thanks,
Aaron

> 
> Rafael
> 
> 


  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-11-26  1:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-09  6:51 [PATCH v9 00/10] ZPODD Patches Aaron Lu
2012-11-09  6:51 ` [PATCH v9 01/10] scsi: sr: support runtime pm Aaron Lu
2012-11-09  6:51 ` [PATCH v9 02/10] ata: zpodd: Add CONFIG_SATA_ZPODD Aaron Lu
2012-11-09  6:51 ` [PATCH v9 03/10] ata: zpodd: identify and init ZPODD devices Aaron Lu
2012-11-12 18:53   ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-14  1:32     ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-18 14:38       ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-19  2:15         ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-09  6:51 ` [PATCH v9 04/10] libata: acpi: move acpi notification code to zpodd Aaron Lu
2012-11-12 18:55   ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-14  1:36     ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-09  6:51 ` [PATCH v9 05/10] libata: separate ATAPI code Aaron Lu
2012-11-12 18:57   ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-13 12:49     ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-18 15:01       ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-19  2:21         ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-19 14:51           ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-09  6:51 ` [PATCH v9 06/10] ata: zpodd: check zero power ready status Aaron Lu
2012-11-12 19:13   ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-13 13:20     ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-14  2:18     ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-18 15:00       ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-19  3:09         ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-19 14:56           ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-19 15:06             ` James Bottomley
2012-11-26  0:33               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-26  0:45                 ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-26  5:03                 ` James Bottomley
2012-11-26  5:09                   ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-26  7:32                     ` James Bottomley
2012-11-26  8:27                       ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-26 13:17                         ` James Bottomley
2012-11-26 16:21                           ` Alan Stern
2012-11-26 19:15                             ` James Bottomley
2012-11-27  1:41                           ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-28  0:51                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-28  1:39                     ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-28  2:24                       ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-28  8:56                       ` James Bottomley
2012-12-03  8:13                         ` Aaron Lu
2012-12-03  8:25                           ` James Bottomley
2012-12-03  8:59                             ` Aaron Lu
2012-12-03 16:23                             ` Tejun Heo
2012-12-03 18:56                               ` Jeff Garzik
2012-12-04  5:04                                 ` Aaron Lu
2012-12-04 12:11                               ` James Bottomley
2012-12-07  6:13                                 ` Aaron Lu
2012-12-10  3:26                                   ` Aaron Lu
2012-12-11  5:10                                     ` Tejun Heo
2012-12-18  8:30                                       ` Aaron Lu
2012-12-20  6:07                               ` Aaron Lu
2012-12-25 17:17                                 ` Tejun Heo
2012-12-26  1:42                                   ` Aaron Lu
2012-12-28 21:16                                     ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-04  1:04                                       ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-30  8:55                       ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-30 11:15                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-20  6:00             ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-20  8:59               ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-26  0:50                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-26  0:48                   ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-26  1:03                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-26  1:05                       ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-26  1:11                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-26  1:09                           ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-26  1:22                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-26  1:22                               ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-26  1:17                           ` Aaron Lu [this message]
2012-11-09  6:51 ` [PATCH v9 07/10] block: add a new interface to block events Aaron Lu
2012-11-12 19:14   ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-12 19:18     ` Alan Stern
2012-11-12 19:21       ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-12 19:34         ` Alan Stern
2012-11-18 15:05           ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-18 17:41             ` Alan Stern
2012-11-18 21:56               ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-18 21:58                 ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-18 23:28                 ` Alan Stern
2012-11-18 23:35                   ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-19  2:07                     ` Alan Stern
2012-11-19  3:21                       ` Aaron Lu
2012-11-19 14:50                       ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-09  6:52 ` [PATCH v9 08/10] scsi: sr: support (un)block events Aaron Lu
2012-11-09  6:52 ` [PATCH v9 09/10] ata: zpodd: handle power transition of ODD Aaron Lu
2012-11-09  6:52 ` [PATCH v9 10/10] ata: expose pm qos flags to user space for ata device Aaron Lu

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