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From: Aaron Lu <aaron.lu@intel.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: "Seth Forshee" <seth.forshee@canonical.com>,
	"Matthew Garrett" <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, "Len Brown" <lenb@kernel.org>,
	"Ben Jencks" <ben@bjencks.net>, joeyli <jlee@suse.com>,
	"Micael Dias" <kam1kaz3@gmail.com>,
	"* SAMÍ *" <miaousami@hotmail.com>,
	"Yves-Alexis Perez" <corsac@debian.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] acpi_video: Don't handle ACPI brightness notifications by default
Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 09:08:27 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51FDA98B.8090904@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1842221.DqbnaT4T1E@vostro.rjw.lan>

On 08/04/2013 06:07 AM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Saturday, August 03, 2013 08:10:12 PM Aaron Lu wrote:
>> On 08/03/2013 07:23 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>> On Saturday, August 03, 2013 05:46:02 PM Aaron Lu wrote:
>>>> On 08/03/2013 08:26 AM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, August 02, 2013 10:52:09 PM Aaron Lu wrote:
>>>>>> On 08/02/2013 10:41 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>>>>>> On Friday, August 02, 2013 01:55:47 PM Aaron Lu wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 03/08/2013 03:39 AM, Seth Forshee wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Windows 8 requires all backlight interfaces to report 101 brightness
>>>>>>>>> values, and as a result we're starting to see machines with that many
>>>>>>>>> brightness levels in _BCL. For machines which send these notifications
>>>>>>>>> when the brightness up/down keys are pressed this means a lot of key
>>>>>>>>> presses to get any kind of noticeable change in brightness.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For a while now we've had the ability to disable in-kernel handling of
>>>>>>>>> notifications via the video.brightness_switch_enabled parameter. Change
>>>>>>>>> this to default to off, and let userspace choose more reasonable
>>>>>>>>> increments for changing the brightness.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just found one more reason for this param to default 0.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you mean video.brightness_switch_enabled?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We are going to separate the backlight interface control and event
>>>>>>>> notification functionalities of the ACPI video module, it is highly
>>>>>>>> possible a lot of systems will use a combination of the event
>>>>>>>> notification handler and intel_backlight interface. So it doesn't make
>>>>>>>> sense to let video module to do any adjustment on its own if user space
>>>>>>>> has chosen a different interface to use. Actually, it can cause problems
>>>>>>>> as in ASUS's case:
>>>>>>>> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52951
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The problem there is, on hotkey brightness up, the video module will
>>>>>>>> adjust the brightness level first and since its _BQC is broken, it gets
>>>>>>>> a wrong number(too low or too high or whatever) and then does the _BCM
>>>>>>>> call. The _BCM method works. Then user space picks the intel_backlight
>>>>>>>> to do the adjustment, but since the _BCM already sets a wrong value, the
>>>>>>>> user space's adjustment is affected too. The result is, user has only
>>>>>>>> two visible levels, very low and very high.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This only occurs on -rc3, since we removed the
>>>>>>>> acpi_video_verify_backlight_support from acpi_video_switch_brightness
>>>>>>>> function.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What did we do before -rc2?  Did we address that in any way?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, before rc2, backlight is broken on that system.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, it will have to stay that way in 3.11 I'm afraid, unless we have a fix
>>>>> or a workaround that is *guaranteed* not to introduce any new issues on any
>>>>> systems.
>>>>>
>>>>>> In rc2, we added the win8 patch and a fix patch for the hotkey, then
>>>>>> the ACPI video module's backlight control and in kernel brightness
>>>>>> handling is disabled. With the working hotkey and intel_backlight, rc2
>>>>>> works for the system. Then with the revert in rc3, user needs to choose
>>>>>> intel_backlight in xorg.conf but the in kernel brightness handling from
>>>>>> ACPI video module is back. Since video module is broken, it breaks the
>>>>>> backlight hotkey functionality.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess we need to revert the hotkey fix too (that is efaa14c, right?)
>>>>> then, is that correct?  And try to do something smarter for 3.12?
>>>>
>>>> With or without commit efaa14c, hotkey for backlight is broken out of
>>>> box for the affected systems(ASUS N56VZ and N56VJ). But with that commit,
>>>> user has a chance of getting a working backlight with hotkey by specifying
>>>> intel_backlight and adding the video.brightness_switch_enabled=0. So I
>>>> think we can keep that commit.
>>>
>>> What about the "boot to black screen" problem, then?
>>
>> You mean this one?
>> https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/7/30/814
> 
> Yes. :-)

That is due to the broken _BQC provided by firmware, not that commit.
After we enhance the quirk for _BQC, the problem will be gone.

-Aaron

  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-04  1:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-02-11 16:21 [PATCH] ACPI: Disable Windows 8 compatibility for some Lenovo ThinkPads Seth Forshee
2013-02-11 17:52 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-11 19:06   ` Seth Forshee
2013-02-11 19:09     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-11 19:31       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-02-12  3:05         ` Seth Forshee
2013-02-13 20:32       ` Seth Forshee
2013-02-13 20:55         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-13 21:04           ` Ben Jencks
2013-02-13 21:49             ` Seth Forshee
2013-02-13 21:46           ` Seth Forshee
2013-02-13 21:54             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-13 22:04               ` Seth Forshee
2013-03-07 19:38           ` Seth Forshee
2013-03-07 19:39             ` [PATCH 1/5] ACPICA: Add interface for getting latest Windows version requested via _OSI Seth Forshee
2013-03-07 19:39               ` [PATCH 2/5] acpi_video: Avoid unnecessary conversions between backlight levels and indexes Seth Forshee
2013-03-07 19:39               ` [PATCH 3/5] acpi_video: Add workaround for broken Windows 8 backlight implementations Seth Forshee
2013-04-04 11:44                 ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-04 12:35                   ` Seth Forshee
2013-04-04 13:46                     ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-04 14:02                       ` Seth Forshee
2013-04-04 14:27                         ` Aaron Lu
2013-03-07 19:39               ` [PATCH 4/5] acpi_video: Disable use of _BQC when value doesn't match those set through _BCM Seth Forshee
2013-03-07 19:39               ` [PATCH 5/5] acpi_video: Don't handle ACPI brightness notifications by default Seth Forshee
2013-08-02  5:55                 ` Aaron Lu
2013-08-02 14:41                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-08-02 14:52                     ` Aaron Lu
2013-08-03  0:26                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-08-03  9:46                         ` Aaron Lu
2013-08-03 11:23                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-08-03 12:10                             ` Aaron Lu
2013-08-03 22:07                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-08-04  1:08                                 ` Aaron Lu [this message]
2013-03-18 21:25             ` [PATCH] ACPI: Disable Windows 8 compatibility for some Lenovo ThinkPads Seth Forshee
2013-04-02  5:18               ` Ben Jencks
2013-04-02  9:15                 ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-02 11:23                   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-04-02 13:44                     ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-02 19:08                       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-04-19 12:24               ` Seth Forshee
2013-04-20 22:06                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-04-21  2:29                   ` Seth Forshee
2013-04-21 15:46                     ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2013-02-13 21:09       ` Ben Jencks
2013-04-01  1:53 ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-01 13:03   ` Seth Forshee
2013-04-02  9:08     ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-02 13:00       ` Seth Forshee
2013-04-02 13:43         ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-03  7:04         ` Ben Jencks
2013-04-03  7:27           ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-03 13:45             ` Seth Forshee
2013-04-04 11:39               ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-19  3:15           ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-20 22:06             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-04-21 11:07               ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-21 12:11                 ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-21 21:42                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-04-22  9:39                   ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-22 11:51                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-04-22 12:11                       ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-22 13:06                         ` Seth Forshee
2013-04-22 13:40                           ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-22 13:56                             ` Seth Forshee
2013-04-22 14:07                               ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-22 15:11                                 ` Seth Forshee
2013-04-22  2:18             ` joeyli
2013-04-22 10:08               ` Aaron Lu
2013-04-22 12:00                 ` joeyli

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