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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 06/14] rtc-efi: register rtc-efi device when EFI enabled
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 13:04:45 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52B4B0ED.7030600@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1387552463.17961.2.camel@x230>

On 12/20/2013 07:14 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 11:37 +0100, Borislav Petkov wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:30:48PM -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>>> On 12/19/2013 08:24 PM, joeyli wrote:
>>>> I agreed, but userspace application should not be too often to access
>>>> RTC. Maybe only when system boot and set timezone.
>>>
>>> This is, quite frankly, an idiotic argument.
>>
>> TBH, I've been struggling with the question too - and it might even be a
>> stupid question - but what is that absolute need to be able to get the
>> TZ in userspace? Why should I care?
>>
>> Can we get some use cases for stupid people like me please?
> 
> Dual-boot environments will tend to have the RTC in local time, not UTC.
> That means that userspace has to reprogram the clock over daylight
> savings changes, and to do that it must know whether another OS has
> already done so.
> 

Actually, it doesn't have to reprogram the clock ... it just needs to
know if another OS has already done so.  All Linux needs to do is to be
able to derive UTC from whatever the RTC is set to and to be able to
keep it consistent.

	-hpa

  reply	other threads:[~2013-12-20 21:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-12-19  7:51 [RFC PATCH 00/14] Support timezone of ACPI TAD and EFI TIME Lee, Chun-Yi
2013-12-19  7:51 ` [PATCH 01/14] rtc-efi: fix decrease day twice when computing year days Lee, Chun-Yi
     [not found] ` <1387439515-8926-1-git-send-email-jlee-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-19  7:51   ` [PATCH 03/14] rtc: block registration of rtc-cmos when CMOS RTC Not Present Lee, Chun-Yi
2013-12-19  7:51 ` [RFC PATCH 04/14] ACPI: Add ACPI 5.0 Time and Alarm Device driver Lee, Chun-Yi
     [not found]   ` <1387439515-8926-5-git-send-email-jlee-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-19 15:22     ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]       ` <52B30F43.1060306-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-20  5:41         ` joeyli
     [not found]           ` <1387518099.3539.4453.camel-ONCj+Eqt86TasUa73XJKwA@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-01  0:42             ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]               ` <52C3647B.7000708-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-06  8:58                 ` joeyli
2014-01-07  5:37                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-01-07 10:40                     ` joeyli
2014-01-07 16:35                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-01-08 14:59                         ` joeyli
     [not found]                           ` <1389193142.3539.6123.camel-ONCj+Eqt86TasUa73XJKwA@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-08 17:56                             ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                               ` <52CD9139.2070302-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-09  3:47                                 ` joeyli
     [not found]                                   ` <1389239259.24105.2.camel-ONCj+Eqt86TasUa73XJKwA@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-09  4:00                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-01-09 12:16                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-02  8:09     ` Lan Tianyu
2014-01-06  9:20       ` joeyli
2013-12-19  7:51 ` [RFC PATCH 05/14] rtc: Add RTC driver of ACPI Time and Alarm Device Lee, Chun-Yi
2013-12-19  7:51 ` [RFC PATCH 06/14] rtc-efi: register rtc-efi device when EFI enabled Lee, Chun-Yi
2013-12-19 14:09   ` Matt Fleming
2013-12-20  4:24     ` joeyli
     [not found]       ` <1387513491.3539.4345.camel-ONCj+Eqt86TasUa73XJKwA@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-20  4:30         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-20 10:37           ` Borislav Petkov
     [not found]             ` <20131220103755.GA14784-fF5Pk5pvG8Y@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-20 15:14               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-12-20 21:04                 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
     [not found]                   ` <52B4B0ED.7030600-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-21  1:24                     ` joeyli
2013-12-21  1:51                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-21 15:34                         ` joeyli
2013-12-20 16:48               ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-19  7:51 ` [RFC PATCH 07/14] rtc-efi: add GMTOFF support to rtc_efi Lee, Chun-Yi
     [not found]   ` <1387439515-8926-8-git-send-email-jlee-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-20 15:11     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-12-21  3:56       ` joeyli
2013-12-19  7:51 ` [RFC PATCH 08/14] rtc-efi: set uie_unsupported for indicate rtc-efi doesn't support UIE mode Lee, Chun-Yi
2013-12-19  7:51 ` [RFC PATCH 09/14] efi: move functions of access efi time to header file for sharing Lee, Chun-Yi
2013-12-19  7:51 ` [RFC PATCH 10/14] rtc: improve and move week day computing function to rtc header Lee, Chun-Yi
2013-12-19  7:51 ` [RFC PATCH 11/14] rtc: switch to get/set rtc time to efi functions if CMOS RTC Not Present git set Lee, Chun-Yi
2013-12-19  7:51 ` [RFC PATCH 12/14] efi: adjust system time base on timezone from EFI time services Lee, Chun-Yi
2013-12-19  7:51 ` [RFC PATCH 13/14] Documentation/RTC: add document of ACPI TAD and EFI TIME driver Lee, Chun-Yi
2013-12-19  7:51 ` [TEST PATCH 14/14] acpi: add early parameter to set CMOS RTC Not Present bit for testing Lee, Chun-Yi
     [not found] ` <1387448416-11672-1-git-send-email-jlee@suse.com>
     [not found]   ` <1387448416-11672-1-git-send-email-jlee-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-19 10:49     ` [PATCH 02/14] x86-64/efi: Use EFI to deal with platform wall clock (again) Matt Fleming
     [not found]       ` <20131219104908.GE3145-HNK1S37rvNbeXh+fF434Mdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-19 13:32         ` joeyli
     [not found]           ` <1387459939.3539.4092.camel-ONCj+Eqt86TasUa73XJKwA@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-20 11:29             ` One Thousand Gnomes
2013-12-23 23:25               ` H. Peter Anvin

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