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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Zhang Rui <rui.zhang@intel.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	ACPI Devel Maling List <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	pm list <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: Async resume patch (was: Re: [GIT PULL] PM updates for 2.6.33)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:52:08 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0912081043280.3560@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0912081024530.3560@localhost.localdomain>



On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> [ Hint: you need a smp_mb() *before* the atomic_dec() in wait-unlock, so 
>   that anybody else who sees the new value will be guaranteed to have seen 
>   anything else the unlocker did.
> 
>   You also need a smp_mb() in the wait_for_lock(), not a smp_rmb(). Can't 
>   allow writes to migrate up either.  'atomic_read()' does not imply any
>   barriers.
> 
>   But most architectures can optimize these things for their particular 
>   memory ordering model, and do so in their rwsem implementation. ]

Side note: if this was a real lock, you'd also needed an smp_wmb() in the 
'wait_lock()' path after the atomic_inc(), to make sure that others see 
the atomic lock was seen by other people before the suspend started. 

In your usage scenario, I don't think it would ever be noticeable, since 
the other users are always going to start running from the same thread 
that did the wait_lock(), so even if they run on other CPU's, we'll have 
scheduled _to_ those other CPU's and done enough memory ordering to 
guarantee that they will see the thing.

So it would be ok in this situation, simply because it acts as an 
initializer and never sees any real SMP issues.

But it's an example of how you now don't just depend on the locking 
primitives themselves doing the right thing, you end up depending very 
subtly on exactly how the lock is used.  The standard locks do have the 
same kind of issue for initializers, but we avoid it elsewhere because 
it's so risky.

				Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2009-12-08 18:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 234+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-05 21:16 [GIT PULL] PM updates for 2.6.33 Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-05 21:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-05 21:58   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-05 23:55     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-06  0:45       ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-06  1:26         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-06  1:58           ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-06  8:39             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-06  0:48       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-06  1:54         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-06  1:57           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-06  2:05           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-06  2:36             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-06 15:23             ` Alan Stern
2009-12-06 19:04               ` [linux-pm] " Victor Lowther
2009-12-07  3:57               ` Zhang Rui
2009-12-07  5:57                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07  6:15                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-17 23:28                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-12-07  6:37                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-07 15:13                   ` Alan Stern
2009-12-07 16:31                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07 16:55                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07 17:52                       ` Alan Stern
2009-12-07 18:05                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07 20:37                           ` Alan Stern
2009-12-07 20:48                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07 21:32                               ` Alan Stern
2009-12-07 21:41                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07 21:47                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-07 22:01                                   ` Alan Stern
2009-12-07 22:06                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07 22:21                                       ` Alan Stern
2009-12-07 22:26                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07 23:16                                           ` Alan Stern
2009-12-07 22:02                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-07 22:16                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07 23:51                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-08  3:27                                         ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 12:23                                           ` Async resume patch (was: Re: [GIT PULL] PM updates for 2.6.33) Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-08 12:35                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-08 15:35                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-08 15:55                                               ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 16:42                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-08 18:08                                                   ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 18:41                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-08 18:52                                                       ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2009-12-08 19:34                                                         ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 19:30                                                       ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 20:48                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-08 21:32                                                           ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 21:52                                                             ` Christian Borntraeger
2009-12-08 22:16                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-09 19:06                                                               ` Alan Stern
2009-12-09 21:52                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-08 19:44                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-08 20:16                                                 ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 20:30                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-08 20:44                                                     ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 20:52                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-08 21:40                                                         ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 21:48                                                           ` spinlock in completion_done() (was: Re: Async resume patch (was: Re: [GIT PULL] PM updates for 2.6.33)) Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-09  9:29                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-09 22:37                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-10  7:59                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-11  4:10                                                                   ` Dave Chinner
2009-12-11  7:54                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-12 23:07                                                                   ` [PATCH] sched: Make wakeup side variants of completion API irq safe (was: Re: spinlock in completion_done()) Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-08 22:18                                                           ` Async resume patch (was: Re: [GIT PULL] PM updates for 2.6.33) Linus Torvalds
2009-12-09  2:11                                                             ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 21:08                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-08 21:13                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-08 22:07                                                     ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 22:30                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-09  2:23                                                         ` Alan Stern
2009-12-09 21:56                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-09 22:27                                                             ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 22:32                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-09  2:35                                                         ` Alan Stern
2009-12-09  2:54                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-09 15:24                                                             ` Alan Stern
2009-12-09 15:38                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-09 15:57                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2009-12-25 17:09                                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-09 13:38                                                           ` Mark Brown
2009-12-09 15:49                                                             ` Alan Stern
2009-12-09 16:02                                                               ` Mark Brown
2009-12-09 16:23                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2009-12-09 16:46                                                                   ` Mark Brown
2009-12-09 16:57                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-09 17:45                                                                       ` Mark Brown
2009-12-09 17:57                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-09 18:27                                                                           ` Mark Brown
2009-12-09 17:10                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2009-12-09 17:19                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-09 18:08                                                                       ` Mark Brown
2009-12-08 21:04                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-08 21:40                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-08 22:03                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-08 22:55                                                       ` Async suspend-resume patch w/ rwsems " Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-08 23:24                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-09 20:15                                                         ` Alan Stern
2009-12-09 22:18                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-09 22:38                                                             ` Alan Stern
2009-12-09 23:18                                                               ` Async suspend-resume patch w/ completions (was: Re: Async suspend-resume patch w/ rwsems) Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-10  2:51                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-10 19:40                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-10 23:30                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-11  1:02                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-11  1:25                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-11  3:42                                                                           ` Alan Stern
2009-12-11 22:17                                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-12  0:38                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2009-12-11 22:11                                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-11 22:31                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-11 23:48                                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-11 23:53                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-12 17:48                                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-12 18:54                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-12 22:34                                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-12 22:40                                                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-14 18:21                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-14 22:11                                                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-14 22:41                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-14 22:43                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-14 23:18                                                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-15  0:10                                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-15  0:11                                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-15 11:14                                                                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-15 15:31                                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-15 11:03                                                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-15 15:26                                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-15 15:55                                                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2009-12-15 16:28                                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-15 18:57                                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-15 20:26                                                                                                           ` Alan Stern
2009-12-15 21:26                                                                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-15 22:01                                                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2009-12-15 21:54                                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-15 22:27                                                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2009-12-16  2:11                                                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-16  6:40                                                                                                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-18 22:43                                                                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-19 19:59                                                                                                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-19 21:33                                                                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-19 22:29                                                                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-19 22:43                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-19 22:47                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-19 23:10                                                                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-19 23:22                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-19 23:33                                                                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-19 23:23                                                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-19 23:40                                                                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-19 23:46                                                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-19 23:47                                                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-19 23:54                                                                                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-19 23:53                                                                                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-20  0:09                                                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-20  0:35                                                                                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-20  2:41                                                                                                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-20 19:25                                                                                                                                 ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-21  7:39                                                                                                                                   ` [linux-pm] Async suspend-resume patch w/ completions (was: Re: Async?suspend-resume " Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-21 11:20                                                                                                                                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2009-12-20  2:45                                                                                                                             ` Async suspend-resume patch w/ completions (was: Re: Async suspend-resume " Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-20  3:59                                                                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2009-12-20 12:52                                                                                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-20 17:12                                                                                                                             ` Alan Stern
2009-12-20 18:10                                                                                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-20 19:38                                                                                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2009-12-20 19:51                                                                                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-16 15:22                                                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2009-12-16 19:26                                                                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-16 15:47                                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-16 19:27                                                                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-16 20:59                                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-16 21:57                                                                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-16 22:11                                                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-16 22:33                                                                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-16 23:04                                                                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2009-12-16 23:18                                                                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-17  1:30                                                                                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-17  1:49                                                                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-17 20:06                                                                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2009-12-17 20:36                                                                                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-18  1:51                                                                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-18 17:26                                                                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2009-12-19 21:41                                                                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-20  3:48                                                                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2009-12-20 12:55                                                                                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-18 23:42                                                                                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-13 13:08                                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-13 17:30                                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2009-12-13 19:02                                                                                         ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2009-12-12  0:43                                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2009-12-12 17:35                                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-10 15:31                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2009-12-10 15:45                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-10 18:37                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2009-12-10 23:51                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-10 21:14                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-10 22:17                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2009-12-10 23:45                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-07 15:15                   ` [GIT PULL] PM updates for 2.6.33 Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-07 16:37                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07 20:47                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-07 20:56                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07  5:20               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07 15:42                 ` Alan Stern
2009-12-06 19:35             ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-06 19:58               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-06 20:18                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-06 21:08                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-06 22:54                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-07  0:55                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-07  2:27                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-07  5:26                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-07  6:00                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-21  9:01                             ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-07  1:18                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-07  2:27                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-07  5:31                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-07  6:15                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-07  6:31                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-07  6:32                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-07 15:17                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-06 20:36               ` Alan Stern
2009-12-06 21:17                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-06 21:46                   ` Alan Stern
2009-12-06 21:57                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-06 22:04                       ` Alan Stern
2009-12-06  0:29   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-06  0:52     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-06  1:24       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-06  1:50         ` Linus Torvalds

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