public inbox for linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Zhang Rui <rui.zhang@intel.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	ACPI Devel Maling List <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	pm list <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: Async resume patch (was: Re: [GIT PULL] PM updates for 2.6.33)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:13:32 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0912081309370.3560@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0912081304070.3560@localhost.localdomain>



On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Alan Stern wrote:
> > 
> > That's not the way it should be done.  Linus had children taking their
> > parents' locks during suspend, which is simple but leads to
> > difficulties.
> 
> No it doesn't. Name them.

Really. 

Let me put this simply: I've told you guys how to do it simply, with 
_zero_ crap. No "iterating over children". No games. No data structures. 
No new infrastructure. Just a single new rwlock per device, and _trivial_ 
code.

So here's the challenge: try it my simple way first. I've quoted the code 
about five million times already. If you _actually_ see some problems, 
explain them. Don't make up stupid "iterate over each child" things. Don't 
claim totally made-up "leads to difficulties". Don't make it any more 
complicated than it needs to be.

Keep it simple. And once you have tried that simple approach, and you 
really can show why it doesn't work, THEN you can try something else.

But before you try the simple approach and explain why it wouldn't work, I 
simply will not pull anything more complex. Understood and agreed?

			Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2009-12-08 21:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 234+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-05 21:16 [GIT PULL] PM updates for 2.6.33 Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-05 21:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-05 21:58   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-05 23:55     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-06  0:45       ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-06  1:26         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-06  1:58           ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-06  8:39             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-06  0:48       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-06  1:54         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-06  1:57           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-06  2:05           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-06  2:36             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-06 15:23             ` Alan Stern
2009-12-06 19:04               ` [linux-pm] " Victor Lowther
2009-12-07  3:57               ` Zhang Rui
2009-12-07  5:57                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07  6:15                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-17 23:28                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-12-07  6:37                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-07 15:13                   ` Alan Stern
2009-12-07 16:31                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07 16:55                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07 17:52                       ` Alan Stern
2009-12-07 18:05                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07 20:37                           ` Alan Stern
2009-12-07 20:48                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07 21:32                               ` Alan Stern
2009-12-07 21:41                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07 21:47                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-07 22:01                                   ` Alan Stern
2009-12-07 22:06                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07 22:21                                       ` Alan Stern
2009-12-07 22:26                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07 23:16                                           ` Alan Stern
2009-12-07 22:02                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-07 22:16                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07 23:51                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-08  3:27                                         ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 12:23                                           ` Async resume patch (was: Re: [GIT PULL] PM updates for 2.6.33) Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-08 12:35                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-08 15:35                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-08 15:55                                               ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 16:42                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-08 18:08                                                   ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 18:41                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-08 18:52                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-08 19:34                                                         ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 19:30                                                       ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 20:48                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-08 21:32                                                           ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 21:52                                                             ` Christian Borntraeger
2009-12-08 22:16                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-09 19:06                                                               ` Alan Stern
2009-12-09 21:52                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-08 19:44                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-08 20:16                                                 ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 20:30                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-08 20:44                                                     ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 20:52                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-08 21:40                                                         ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 21:48                                                           ` spinlock in completion_done() (was: Re: Async resume patch (was: Re: [GIT PULL] PM updates for 2.6.33)) Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-09  9:29                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-09 22:37                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-10  7:59                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-11  4:10                                                                   ` Dave Chinner
2009-12-11  7:54                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-12 23:07                                                                   ` [PATCH] sched: Make wakeup side variants of completion API irq safe (was: Re: spinlock in completion_done()) Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-08 22:18                                                           ` Async resume patch (was: Re: [GIT PULL] PM updates for 2.6.33) Linus Torvalds
2009-12-09  2:11                                                             ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 21:08                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-08 21:13                                                     ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2009-12-08 22:07                                                     ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 22:30                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-09  2:23                                                         ` Alan Stern
2009-12-09 21:56                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-09 22:27                                                             ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 22:32                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-09  2:35                                                         ` Alan Stern
2009-12-09  2:54                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-09 15:24                                                             ` Alan Stern
2009-12-09 15:38                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-09 15:57                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2009-12-25 17:09                                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-09 13:38                                                           ` Mark Brown
2009-12-09 15:49                                                             ` Alan Stern
2009-12-09 16:02                                                               ` Mark Brown
2009-12-09 16:23                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2009-12-09 16:46                                                                   ` Mark Brown
2009-12-09 16:57                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-09 17:45                                                                       ` Mark Brown
2009-12-09 17:57                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-09 18:27                                                                           ` Mark Brown
2009-12-09 17:10                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2009-12-09 17:19                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-09 18:08                                                                       ` Mark Brown
2009-12-08 21:04                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-08 21:40                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-08 22:03                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-08 22:55                                                       ` Async suspend-resume patch w/ rwsems " Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-08 23:24                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-09 20:15                                                         ` Alan Stern
2009-12-09 22:18                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-09 22:38                                                             ` Alan Stern
2009-12-09 23:18                                                               ` Async suspend-resume patch w/ completions (was: Re: Async suspend-resume patch w/ rwsems) Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-10  2:51                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-10 19:40                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-10 23:30                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-11  1:02                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-11  1:25                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-11  3:42                                                                           ` Alan Stern
2009-12-11 22:17                                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-12  0:38                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2009-12-11 22:11                                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-11 22:31                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-11 23:48                                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-11 23:53                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-12 17:48                                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-12 18:54                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-12 22:34                                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-12 22:40                                                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-14 18:21                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-14 22:11                                                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-14 22:41                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-14 22:43                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-14 23:18                                                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-15  0:10                                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-15  0:11                                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-15 11:14                                                                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-15 15:31                                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-15 11:03                                                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-15 15:26                                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-15 15:55                                                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2009-12-15 16:28                                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-15 18:57                                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-15 20:26                                                                                                           ` Alan Stern
2009-12-15 21:26                                                                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-15 22:01                                                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2009-12-15 21:54                                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-15 22:27                                                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2009-12-16  2:11                                                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-16  6:40                                                                                                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-18 22:43                                                                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-19 19:59                                                                                                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-19 21:33                                                                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-19 22:29                                                                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-19 22:43                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-19 22:47                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-19 23:10                                                                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-19 23:22                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-19 23:33                                                                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-19 23:23                                                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-19 23:40                                                                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-19 23:46                                                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-19 23:47                                                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-19 23:54                                                                                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-19 23:53                                                                                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-20  0:09                                                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-20  0:35                                                                                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-20  2:41                                                                                                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-20 19:25                                                                                                                                 ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-21  7:39                                                                                                                                   ` [linux-pm] Async suspend-resume patch w/ completions (was: Re: Async?suspend-resume " Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-21 11:20                                                                                                                                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2009-12-20  2:45                                                                                                                             ` Async suspend-resume patch w/ completions (was: Re: Async suspend-resume " Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-20  3:59                                                                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2009-12-20 12:52                                                                                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-20 17:12                                                                                                                             ` Alan Stern
2009-12-20 18:10                                                                                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-20 19:38                                                                                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2009-12-20 19:51                                                                                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-16 15:22                                                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2009-12-16 19:26                                                                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-16 15:47                                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-16 19:27                                                                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-16 20:59                                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-16 21:57                                                                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-16 22:11                                                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-16 22:33                                                                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-16 23:04                                                                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2009-12-16 23:18                                                                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-17  1:30                                                                                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-17  1:49                                                                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-17 20:06                                                                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2009-12-17 20:36                                                                                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-18  1:51                                                                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-18 17:26                                                                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2009-12-19 21:41                                                                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-20  3:48                                                                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2009-12-20 12:55                                                                                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-18 23:42                                                                                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-13 13:08                                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-13 17:30                                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2009-12-13 19:02                                                                                         ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2009-12-12  0:43                                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2009-12-12 17:35                                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-10 15:31                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2009-12-10 15:45                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-10 18:37                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2009-12-10 23:51                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-10 21:14                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-10 22:17                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2009-12-10 23:45                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-07 15:15                   ` [GIT PULL] PM updates for 2.6.33 Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-07 16:37                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07 20:47                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-07 20:56                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07  5:20               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07 15:42                 ` Alan Stern
2009-12-06 19:35             ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-06 19:58               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-06 20:18                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-06 21:08                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-06 22:54                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-07  0:55                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-07  2:27                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-07  5:26                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-07  6:00                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-21  9:01                             ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-07  1:18                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-07  2:27                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-07  5:31                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-07  6:15                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-07  6:31                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-07  6:32                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-07 15:17                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-06 20:36               ` Alan Stern
2009-12-06 21:17                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-06 21:46                   ` Alan Stern
2009-12-06 21:57                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-06 22:04                       ` Alan Stern
2009-12-06  0:29   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-06  0:52     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-06  1:24       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-06  1:50         ` Linus Torvalds

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=alpine.LFD.2.00.0912081309370.3560@localhost.localdomain \
    --to=torvalds@linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=rjw@sisk.pl \
    --cc=rui.zhang@intel.com \
    --cc=stern@rowland.harvard.edu \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox